# F them seed oils! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 15, 2024, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323 "2024-09-15T23:22:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323/41 "2024-09-21T19:14:18Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > So when those companies transition to food, and the same policy approach to consumer safety is adopted, are we overreacting by pointing out the concerns? > > Here, the _specific concern_ relates to the use of seed oils. These companies figured out how to flood our pleasure zones with salt, sugar, and fat, delivered in products which are designed to maximize their freshness. This is accomplished by using these oils. Presumably this is flooding pleasure zones with the amounts of salt, sugar and fat, not the source. It’s not evidence that getting the fat from corn is worse than getting it from milk. Also I can’t read the study, but according to [reddit](https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/16eooi6/us_tobacco_companies_selectively_disseminated/jzx6zzt/) (so grain of addictive salt) the definition of “hyperpalatable” means having very high amounts of sugar, carbs in general, salt and/or fat. They could be finding the healthiest fats and this would still be true. I think some of how people talk about prepackaged foods is hysteria, because a fair amount of what they do is what we do at home, it’s just that when a giant food conglomerate does it it’s described as “engineering food to be addictive” and when my grandma did it it was called dessert. And with seed oils this particular criticism makes very little sense. Seed oils are both used by nabisco and me. I have a vested interest in knowing if the problem is the seed oil itself, because that would mean I might want to consider subbing when I cook, or if the problem is that the final product is junk food that is essentiall empty calories. Constantly interspersing inflammatory statement about seed oil while backing it up in part by tobacco companies trying to get me hooked on junk food obfuscates this. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323/42 "2024-09-21T21:48:10Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > > [@Moriarty](#): > > > > Just because they are natural makes them okay? > > Not an argument I even made, or would think of making. > [@Mangetout](#): > > whereas seed oils are actual _food_. You _just_ made that argument! > [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > Presumably this is flooding pleasure zones with the amounts of salt, sugar and fat, not the source. Right, they’ve figured out how to extract key ingredients from the natural source and deliver it in a potent dosage. Sort of like what we’ve done with drugs. And just as morphine is fundamentally more potent than a poppy plant, these targeted ingredients are more potent than natural sources. > [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > It’s not evidence that getting the fat from corn is worse than getting it from milk. With regards to food, the delivery system has a great impact on how the body reacts. That’s why the fructose in whole fruit (which is tempered by fiber) impacts the body differently than high fructose corn syrup. > [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > a fair amount of what they do is what we do at home, it’s just that when a giant food conglomerate does it it’s described as “engineering food to be addictive” and when my grandma did it it was called dessert. When grandma bakes a cake, she likely uses butter, not vegetable oil. And she almost certainly uses fresh ingredients, and is not adding laboratory produced chemicals to improve shelf life, taste, or texture. So forgive me for thinking that her baked goods are different than Sara Lee’s. > [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > Seed oils are both used by nabisco and me. I have a vested interest in knowing if the problem is the seed oil itself, because that would mean I might want to consider subbing when I cook, or if the problem is that the final product is junk food that is essentiall empty calories. Constantly interspersing inflammatory statement about seed oil while backing it up in part by tobacco companies trying to get me hooked on junk food obfuscates this. Obviously my analogy fell flat. Let me rephrase: there are companies which have shown an intent to develop products which people crave and overindulge. In so doing, they show that they prioritize price and ease of delivery, even when people’s very health is at stake. I’m not trying to confuse you with talk of too much sugar and salt, or the lack of the delivery systems which allow the body to use them properly; yes, that is problematic, and deserves its own analysis. But in this thread, the particular concern is the prevalence of these vegetable oils. _We shouldn’t assume that these companies are only using these ingredients because they are benign_. It’s easy to say, hey, it comes from nature, and is found in food, so we needn’t worry that people now eat a whole hell of a lot of it, or that it’s been processed first. But it is pretty clear that obesity rates are higher than in previous generations, and that heart disease is a prime health concern. One might ask why. Once you start looking for oil as an ingredient, you might be surprised how much is found in our food. And while a person who likes snack foods might be conscientious enough to select low fat, or ‘no sugar added’ versions, they could still be eating a large amount of this stuff. In this thread, there is some actual science that might explain why that is potentially harmful. It creates a huge imbalance between Omega 6 and Omega 3 fatty acids, which correlates positively with certain health conditions. > [@](#): > > Up until about 100 years ago, the omega-6/3 ratio has been around 4:1 or less. However, the typical Western diet now provides an omega-6/3 ratio of approximately 20:1 in favor of omega-6. This predisposes to supraphysiologic inflammatory responses and perpetuates chronic low-grade inflammation. The overconsumption of linoleic acid, mainly from industrial omega-6 seed oils, and the lack of long-chain omega-3s in the diet creates a pro-inflammatory, pro-allergic, pro-thrombotic state. Reducing the omega-6/3 ratio, particularly through reductions in the intake of refined omega-6 seed oil, and increasing the intake of marine omega-3s, either through dietary means or supplementation, may be an effective strategy for reducing inflammation, allergies, and autoimmune reactions [The Importance of Maintaining a Low Omega-6/Omega-3 Ratio for Reducing the Risk of Autoimmune Diseases, Asthma, and Allergies - PMC](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8504498/#:~:text=Furthermore%2C%20the%20omega%2D6/,times%20to%2020:1%20today.&text=Over%20the%20last%20100%20years,States%20has%20more%20than%20doubled.&text=This%20is%20primarily%20due%20to,tissue%20in%20the%20United%20States.&text=The%20increase%20in%20the%20omega,6%20fats%20in%20the%20diet). Point being, there is a reasonable basis to eschew this type of additive. And it just so happens that doing so requires one to adopt a diet of basic, single ingredient foods, or recipes made at home with ingredients selected by the consumer. That isn’t an extreme diet in any sense, and adds another reason to merit consideration. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323/43 "2024-09-21T21:55:04Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > You refer, I assume, to this gem of a cookbook: > > [‘Manifold Destiny’ Will Teach You to Cook on Your Car Engine - Eater](https://www.eater.com/23749614/manifold-destiny-the-one-the-only-guide-to-cooking-on-your-car-engine-chris-maynard-bill-scheller#:~:text=Published%20in%201989%2C%20it%20was,car%20engine%20as%20a%20stove%3F) Reminds me of the classic Lowell line from _Wings_: Car-B-Cue. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323/44 "2024-09-21T22:52:57Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > You _just_ made that argument! No, I did not. I am not going to continue this discussion with you if you can’t be intellectually honest. ‘Food’ is a description of substances containing nutrients that can be metabolised by an organism for useful energy. Not all natural things are foods (Mecruric sulphide, for example, is naturally-occurring, but definitely not food), and it is quite possible for a synthetic thing to be food (although this is unusual, but, say, synthetic ethanol, for example, could be metabolised). ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323/45 "2024-09-21T23:01:38Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > I am not going to continue this discussion with you if you can’t be intellectually honest. You defended seed oils as _actual food_. I argued that just because something is natural doesn’t mean it’s healthy to consume. Maybe you want to say that calling something food is not the same thing as calling it natural, and you can criticize my sloppy use of language, but I dispute your defense: just because something is found in food, doesn’t mean that it’s good for us. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323/46 "2024-09-21T23:13:55Z")
Please don’t try to put the ‘natural things good’ argument in my mouth just so you can pooh-pooh it. The point is, seed oils have food value - when you eat them, your body gets energy; they are food. Cigarettes are not. That is a weakness in your analogy. It is hardly unusual for foods to have beneficial value in some ways and also be problematic in other ways - in fact, it’s probably the norm; many fruits contain vitamins and antioxidants and fibre, but also high levels of simple sugars; red meat contains protein and iron, but high intake of red meat is associated with heart disease and bowel cancer. There might be a reason why some foods are so significantly tipped in the direction of detrimental effects that we should shun them altogether. Many people suggest that is what should happen with seed oils. I don’t see the evidence supporting such a wholesale rejection. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2024, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323/47 "2024-09-21T23:16:21Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > but I dispute your defense: just because something is found in food, doesn’t mean that it’s good for us. I never made such an argument. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323/48 "2024-09-22T00:04:07Z")
Good grief. Y’all typed about 1000 words or more. To say: too much fat/oils in your diet is _bad_ for humans. You need alittle. Very little. Yeah, lots of words. Lots and lots of words. Not one of those words changed my mind, about anything. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323/49 "2024-09-22T00:37:58Z")
I thought some fats were good! Probly not seed ones? Must read ingredient lists more. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323/50 "2024-09-22T00:41:39Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Maybe you want to say that calling something food is not the same thing as calling it natural, Yeah, those are absolutely different claims. And he didn’t even say it was good because it was food, just that it’s significant that it’s food. You might try reading the posts you are arguing with. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323/51 "2024-09-22T00:53:52Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Point being, there is a reasonable basis to eschew this type of additive. It doesn’t. There are seed oils like canola oil that have a very high omega 3 content. There are fats like butter that are high in saturated fat (which is AFAIK considered more unhealthy than any kind of unsaturated fat) and besides don’t have enough unsaturated fat to do much to your overall dietary omega 3 or omega 6. It might be valuable on the specific basis of avoiding too many omega-6’s to avoid the seed oils that are very high in them and lower in omega 3’s, but if that’s the main concern it should be the focus, so that I don’t avoid canola oil because “seed oils are bad.” > [@](#): > > And it just so happens that doing so requires one to adopt a diet of basic, single ingredient foods, or recipes made at home with ingredients selected by the consumer. That isn’t an extreme diet in any sense, and adds another reason to merit consideration. Not all the food I eat at home is raw or boiled. I’m going to use some sort of derived fat, whether it’s butter, vegetable oil, lard etc to cook. None of those are whole foods (I guess you could argue lard is close but w/e) and all of them are highly palatable calorie bombs in high quantities. Therefore even if I cook everything myself, there’s value in me knowing if I should be worried about the quantity or variety of fat and get accurate information about the variety. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323/52 "2024-09-22T01:01:40Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > seed oils have food value - when you eat them, your body gets energy; they are food By that standard, candy has _food value_ and is food, since your body gets energy from eating it. That doesn’t tell us anything about whether we should consume it. > [@Mangetout](#): > > when you eat them, your body gets energy; they are food. Cigarettes are not. When you ingest cigarettes, you also get energy, albeit of a different kind. > [@](#): > > [Nicotine](https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/nicotine-addiction-explained-and-how-medications-can-help-202107272554), the active ingredient in cigarettes, is a stimulant. Used in low doses like those delivered by combustible cigarettes, stimulants activate the nervous system, resulting in enhanced arousal and alertness. Nicotine binding in the limbic system — the part of the brain that houses the pleasure and reward center — releases dopamine, resulting in feelings of euphoria. These effects combine to give smokers a boost in their mood. > **[Puffing away sadness - Harvard Health](https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/puffing-away-sadness-2020022418913)** > > The nicotine in cigarettes stimulates the nervous system, resulting in a mood boost. But does this mean that smokers will reach for a cigarette when they are feeling sad? Researchers found t... But again, this doesn’t tell us anything about whether we _should_ ingest it. > [@Mangetout](#): > > It is hardly unusual for foods to have beneficial value in some ways and also be problematic in other ways - in fact, it’s probably the norm Sure, but that just means we should examine each food item individually, and not just presume that because something has an identifiable benefit that it is a beneficial thing to consume. > [@Mangetout](#): > > There might be a reason why some foods are so significantly tipped in the direction of detrimental effects that we should shun them altogether. Many people suggest that is what should happen with seed oils. I am not advocating for no consumption of vegetable oil. As found in actual vegetables, it’s fine. And if you want to use it when you oil a pan, knock yourself out. As a cooking ingredient, though, I think substituting animal products are a better choice. But I also find it, at the very least, an _interesting_ change in the typical western diet over the last half century or more: our ratio of essential fatty acids is far out of whack than it has traditionally been. I also find it _notable_ how overweight and unhealthy we tend to be, and find the studies about the possible correlation compelling. > [@Mangetout](#): > > I don’t see the evidence supporting such a wholesale rejection. That’s fine by me. I personally only advocate for the rejection of processed foods, at least most of the time. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323/53 "2024-09-22T01:42:19Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > > [@Mangetout](#): > > > > seed oils have food value - when you eat them, your body gets energy; they are food > > By that standard, candy has _food value_ and is food, Candy _does_ have food value, and is food. When i had chickenpox, i had pox down my throat and couldn’t swallow most foods. My mother kept me alive with chicken broth and hard candies. That was on doctor’s orders. She said she asked the doctor, “isn’t candy bad for you?”, and he replied, "your children need calories more than anything else, give them candy until they can eat other foods. " (The broth was because i couldn’t drink water, it hurt too much. The salty broth was less painful and i could get it down.) All foods can be consumed in excess. Some foods are easier to eat excessive amounts of than others, of course. But even pure sugar has its place in a diet. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323/54 "2024-09-22T01:44:04Z")
> [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > It might be valuable on the specific basis of avoiding too many omega-6’s to avoid the seed oils that are very high in them and lower in omega 3’s, but if that’s the main concern it should be the focus, so that I don’t avoid canola oil because “seed oils are bad.” My emphasis has been on the use of seed oils as an additive in processed food. It’s not _just_ the issue of omega 6 ratios. Companies which use this oil _hydrogenate_ it to turn it from liquid to solid. > [@](#): > > Because these oils are typically liquid at room temperature, many companies use hydrogenation to get a more solid and spreadable consistency. During this process, hydrogen molecules are added to alter the texture, stability, and shelf life of the final product ([1Trusted Source](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5872773/)). > > Hydrogenated vegetable oils are also used in many baked goods to improve taste and texture ([2](https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/biochemistry-genetics-and-molecular-biology/trans-fat)). > > Additionally, these oils are more stable and resistant to oxidation, which is the breakdown of fats when exposed to heat. Thus, they’re easy to use in baked or [fried foods](https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/why-fried-foods-are-bad), as they’re less likely to become rancid than other fats ([3Trusted Source](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2769584/)). > **[Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil: Uses, Downsides, and Food Sources](https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/hydrogenated-vegetable-oil)** > > Hydrogenated vegetable oil is a common ingredient in many processed food products. This article examines hydrogenated vegetable oil, explaining its uses, downsides, and food sources. The problem is that this process creates trans fats. Now, partially hydrogenated oils - which are most notorious for becoming trans fats - was banned in American food beginning last December 22nd. The claim is that full hydrogenation _virtually eliminates_ the trans fats. Some are skeptical about how much remains. > [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > there’s value in me knowing if I should be worried about the quantity or variety of fat and get accurate information about the variety. If you are cooking at home, I don’t think you need to worry. It’s ultra processed food that I think raises concerns. > [@puzzlegal](#): > > Some foods are easier to eat excessive amounts of than others, of course. But even pure sugar has its place in a diet. Ok, fine. Let’s just rank them, not eliminate them. I’m advocating for putting some way down low on the list of good choices. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323/55 "2024-09-22T01:50:22Z")
I have to have glucose and sugars occasionally to live. I could get it with candy. Maybe too slow. I keep sugar cubes for a mild low. I have squeeze up stuff and glucose melt aways. Both gross and bother my stomach. They tend to glom up down there. In serious lows there is a glucagon rescue pen. I hate hate them. Never fails to give me a sick headache. Gotta do what you gotta do. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323/56 "2024-09-22T01:59:07Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > By that standard, candy has _food value_ and is food, since your body gets energy from eating it. That doesn’t tell us anything about whether we should consume it. What is your definition of “food,” then? Only things that we “should” eat? Things like Chips Ahoy, Doritos, and frozen TV dinners aren’t good for you; I don’t think anyone would argue that they are. But AIUI, food consists of things we can eat and metabolize. Not all food is GOOD food. It’s still food, though. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323/57 "2024-09-22T02:05:51Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I have to have glucose and sugars occasionally to live. Yeah, i have a diabetic friend who keeps starbursts around. It’s fairly common to see him test his blood sugar and then pop a candy or two. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323/58 "2024-09-22T02:05:54Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > What is your definition of “food,” then? Only things that we “should” eat? No, I’m not quibbling about the definition of food. I’m saying that saying that something is food doesn’t tell us whether it’s a good idea to eat it (or, more precisely, it doesn’t tell us anything about how much we should consume, or in what form: high fructose corn syrup comes from corn, for example. It’s still not good for us, and should be consumed sparingly). > [@CairoCarol](#): > > Things like Chips Ahoy, Doritos, and frozen TV dinners aren’t good for you; I don’t think anyone would argue that they are. This thread is digging into _why_ that is. That’s all I’m saying: when you eat junk food, these seed oils are a big reason why they are unhealthy. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323/59 "2024-09-22T02:14:43Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > This thread is digging into _why_ that is. While it should be nothing other than recipes that can be cooked in a YMCA locker room. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323/60 "2024-09-22T02:23:17Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > While it should be nothing other than recipes that can be cooked in a YMCA locker room Yeah, that’s my fault. When I saw _seed oil_, it triggered my thoughts regarding that particular nutrition issue. It is absolutely true that there is extremism online that is overstated. But the nutrition information is interesting to me; I think the science has merit. > [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I have to have glucose and sugars occasionally to live. Yeah, that’s true of all people. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-them-seed-oils/1007323.md?page=4)