If you can’t hit USA Today, the Washington Post has his top Ten list:
I am quite confident that Trump will have beaten this list by the time he gets done with his speech tomorrow, both in frequency and magnitude.
He’s out of office. You can stop bashing him now. Oh, and nobody cares.
The idea that someone contradicts themselves on occasion is utterly unremarkable. I’m sure you do it too sometimes. It appears to be offered here as a backhanded defense of Trump–“Sure he lies,” you suggest, “but since Obama lies, it’s unreasonable to criticize Trump for dishonesty.”
But that’s nonsense. Unless you can show that Obama lies anywhere near as much as Trump does, or unless you can show that people reject politicians if they’re ever dishonest (not just if they’re constantly dishonest), the comparison fails.
This thread is ridiculous and pointless.
Perhaps you could first share the reason you’re choosing to challenge what you wish people were saying rather than what they’re actually saying.
Come on now, at the time you posted this, I believe there were still 1.5 hours before Trump was sworn in. Plenty of time for Obama to confiscate everyone’s guns and force a mass conversion to Islam in the FEMA camps.
Lots of deflection going on here.
I remember how some posters (okay, a lot of posters) outright defended what were lies and denigrated people who called them lies (the biggest being in relation to Obamacare or Obama’s budgetary “prowess”).
Yes, I’m sure that’s the way you remember it. Not much to be done about that.
What scares me is that there are people who actually believe stuff like this. Kellyanne Conway comes to mind.
BTW, how many blacks did Trump choose to be in his inner circle? I’m pretty sure there were more than a few who were well qualified for those positions.
Sean Spicer was asked why there were no Hispanics and he said because Trump hires only the brightest and the best.
Trump will outdo (and has outdone) Obama by telling lies that aren’t even plausible at the moment he tells them.
I read the article so I’ll actually address these one by one.
ACA ‘if you like your health plan you can keep it’ (no) Campaign promise made before congress got their hands on the ACA
Otto Raddatz died because of cancelled insurance (no) Yep, this one was a false anecdote
‘my mother was almost denied health insurance’ (no) False anecdote, but only because it was disability insurance, not health insurance
‘lower premiums’ (no) Campaign promise made before congress got their hands on the ACA
‘unprecedented for SCOTUS to overturn ACA’ (no) Pretty clear that what he meant that he believed the law was constitutional, not that SCOTUS didn’t have that power
Middle East ‘I didn’t set a red line, the world did’ (no) So, on this one he said Chemical weapons was a red line. His second quote was saying that the world has decided chemical weapons is a red line. Which is true
Never dismissed ISIS as the JV team (yep, he did) okay, there’s one, but the quote was a bit more nuanced then that
Tax ‘in 2011 I paid a lower tax rate than a teacher making
$50,000 a year’ (false) He didn’t say that
Many millionaires pay a lower tax rate than the middle
class (no) He also didn’t say that
Education High school dropout rate has “tripled in the past 30 years.” (no,
it had actually declined by 30%) yep, apparently they were looking at the ninth grade failing rate
Oil ‘We import more oil today than ever before’ (untrue,
imports peaked in 2005 and were substantially lower
at the time that the president made his remarks.) Yes, it was down from the peak
I know. There’s a lot of deflection going on there.
My bad. I apologise.
I don’t think anyone should claim that Obama is as bad as Trump or some of the other pathological liars who are part of our political class. But it is useful to remind people that Obama did not bring about change, that he never intended to bring about change, and that he was, as Bill Clinton described him in 2008, “an off the shelf Chicago politician”.
He’s a politician. He dissembles, he spins, he misleads. That’s what they do. At least as long as we tolerate it.
He brought some incremental change – Iran and Cuba policies were big changes; and the ACA was a big change (in that it drastically reduced the uninsured rate and was the first big change in health care in decades). He lies, spins, and misleads, but I think he does so considerably less than most politicians.
Because of your personal hatred of the man, you’re unable to see anything good from him. Hopefully with time you’ll be able to get over this – not that you’ll necessary see him as a great president, but not as terrible a person as your posts make him out to be.
I have seen some good things from him, but that’s not the point. The point is that he said he would change the way Washington works and he specifically attacked both Hillary Clinton and John McCain for all the things typical politicians do.
Of course he brought about changes in policies. ALL Presidents do that. But not only did he not change the way DC works, that was never his intention. He was a fairly typical Democrat who wanted to enact fairly typical Democratic policies, sold in the typical Democratic way. There was nothing that Obama did or tried to do that Hillary Clinton wouldn’t have done had she won in 2008.
You don’t know his intentions – how could you? I think he tried his best, but he underestimated the unwillingness of the Republicans in Congress to cooperate with him on anything important, and he overestimated the American people’s ability to discern reasonable criticism from total nonsense.
You’re personally invested in the idea that he’s not extraordinary, and can’t be extraordinary in any positive way. Considering your personal feelings for him, I can’t take any of this type of criticism from you seriously.
Googling that quote does not lead me to Bill Clinton. It leads me, twice, to a sparkling message board called “SDMB” where we find
And here.
You.
Barack Obama served his country for 8 years and deserves the same respect and consideration given to his own predecessor after Obama’s inauguration.