# Facts has finally died, 360 B.C.-A.D. 2012 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 25, 2012, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/facts-has-finally-died-360-b-c-a-d-2012/619880 "2012-04-25T03:49:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lust4Life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecc23a/32.png) [@Lust4Life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lust4Life)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/facts-has-finally-died-360-b-c-a-d-2012/619880/21 "2012-04-25T20:39:44Z")
Theres almost certainly more mis and dis information being spread around on the internet then there is genuine information. ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/facts-has-finally-died-360-b-c-a-d-2012/619880/22 "2012-04-26T03:10:15Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Facts have been replaced by what people want, as Colbert said to that moron dentist who used to be head of the Texas Board of Ed. > And it appears we have a presidential candidate who doesn’t mourn their passing. You mean the one who said the new health care law would bend the cost curve? The one who, when he was a senator, blamed the then-president for high gas prices but now, as president, says he can’t do anything? The one who said he never heard Jeremiah Wright say anything even remotely like “God damn America”? “A Puzzlement” from _The King and I_. > [@](#): > > When I was a boy > World was better spot. > What was so was so, > What was not was not. > Now I am a man; > World have changed a lot. > Some things nearly so, > Others nearly not. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/facts-has-finally-died-360-b-c-a-d-2012/619880/23 "2012-04-26T03:46:03Z")
> [@rowrrbazzle](#): > > You mean the one who said the new health care law would bend the cost curve? The one who, when he was a senator, blamed the then-president for high gas prices but now, as president, says he can’t do anything? The one who said he never heard Jeremiah Wright say anything even remotely like “God damn America”? You’re kind of stuck in the past here. There’s no doubt that all politicians play fast and loose with the facts, but do you really think Obama would be at the top of that list? So far you’ve pointed at one statement about a health care system that hasn’t been fully implimented, a political jab that he is being hypocritical about, and something about a preacher that so far has seems to be accurate. However, when it comes to politicians, they have always as a group been highly anti-facts, and are largely responsible for the death of facts. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/facts-has-finally-died-360-b-c-a-d-2012/619880/24 "2012-04-26T05:35:33Z")
Facts didn’t exist before 360 BC? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/facts-has-finally-died-360-b-c-a-d-2012/619880/25 "2012-04-26T11:34:00Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Facts didn’t exist before 360 BC? 😕 Yes. You never heard of the Prefactual Era? ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/facts-has-finally-died-360-b-c-a-d-2012/619880/26 "2012-04-26T11:49:53Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Yes. You never heard of the Prefactual Era? I have, but I assumed it was made up. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/facts-has-finally-died-360-b-c-a-d-2012/619880/27 "2012-04-26T13:00:38Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Facts didn’t exist before 360 BC? 😕 Well, the idea is that (in the West) the Classical Greek philosophers were the ones who codified how is it that we figure out if a _real observed event_ is an instance of a reliable\* factual description of what’s happening\*. In that sense, “the statue fell on Ephistelios and crushed him” is an observation of real events, “unbalanced, unbraced heavy objects tip over and can crush people” is the “fact about the world”. ---
**Author:** ![mnemosyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/facts-has-finally-died-360-b-c-a-d-2012/619880/28 "2012-04-26T19:00:24Z")
“We all believe we have the right to make believe we know what’s right” - Strung Out ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/facts-has-finally-died-360-b-c-a-d-2012/619880/29 "2012-04-26T19:17:03Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Facts didn’t exist before 360 BC? 😕 It’s sort of like that T-shirt “Beer, helping ugly people get laid since 1859”. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/facts-has-finally-died-360-b-c-a-d-2012/619880/30 "2012-04-27T13:28:38Z")
Just to be slightly contrarian, the government does lie to us and this destroys their credibility when they tell the truth. The government that is bent on stopping pot use, when tobacco is demonstrably worse is not believed when they say that GMO crops are safe. (Before you jump on me for that, contemplate the fact that every single cultivated crop is genetically modified, mostly by people flying by the seat of their pants and hardly ever tested for safety.) Since the authorities lie with impunity and people know, they don’t know whom to believe. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Understander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3da27b/32.png) [@The\_Understander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Understander)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/facts-has-finally-died-360-b-c-a-d-2012/619880/31 "2012-04-29T21:35:50Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Lets face it, facts have been dying off since God invented them 5600 years ago. Good riddance to them. They’ve done nothing but stand in the way of man’s greatest triumphs. Facts didn’t help the US put the first man in space. And facts never explained how the tides go in and the tides go out. Nobody has ever explained that one. But the last straw was the bizarre attempt by the factonazis to blame us for the problems we’ve caused. Pollution, global warming, nuclear proliferation, and terrorism are great opportunities that the extreme out of touch \*\*factist \*\*fringe has tried to sabotage with their incessant campaign of shouting ‘Not true’ and ‘That’s not a fact’ everytime a truly good idea to solve our problems without sacrifice is proposed. So I say again, good riddance facts. You’ve done nothing but bring harm and sorrow to the eternal self-correcting golden bounty God has given us to exploit. Well played, sir. Well played. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/facts-has-finally-died-360-b-c-a-d-2012/619880/32 "2012-04-29T23:13:27Z")
> [@Kiber](#): > > I blame Theory. Facts was doing just fine, until Theory came along. Look at gravity, for example - used to be a Fact, but now is just a Theory. DAMN YOU Evolution! DAMN YOU! 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/facts-has-finally-died-360-b-c-a-d-2012/619880.md?page=1)