Facts vs. Opinions in Great Debates

Is a Peterbilt heavy enough? :stuck_out_tongue:

Facts are not up to opinion. Do you disagree?

Fact: Both Georgia and Kentucky are Southern states.
Facr: Both Georgia and Kentucky have recent history of either passing discriminatory legislation or failing to enforce civil rights legislation. Now, you may fuss over the phrase “culturally backward,” but for the purpose of this discussion, it indicates a specific culture that is recognized, (even if not agreed to), by the overwhelming majority of posters to this board. Whining about “opinion” because you want to set up a special definition of the word in order to make your complaint seem legitimate when the meaning of the statement is quite clear is just silly posturing on your part.

Facts are not opinion. That is not in questuion. Your question makes no sense in the context of either the discussion about which you are complaining or this discussion. What does “up to” mean in the context of one more of your one-liners?

The opinion of the “overwhelming majority of this board” is not relevant.

Is that a fact or an opinion?

And you forgot to ask tom what a “questuion” is.

I misspoke. Facts are not up to debate.

If I hit you hard enough do you volunteer?

In the words of Kenny Rogers;

You’ve got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run

Time to fold them and walk away friend.

We seek debates in Great Debates.

In a debate, two or more people discuss a topic. Generally, they have differing views on the topic and, under ideal conditions, can share viewpoints until consensus is reached and greater understanding is had by all.

And I’d like a pony.

In Great Debates, facts are indeed up for debate as it is frequently unclear what the facts actually are. Sometimes that means endless hairsplitting and sometimes that means that it is possible to find citations that support different version of events and such.

Again, opinions are the very basis of Great Debates and - at times - the debate is about opinion without grounding in fact. Witnessing threads, for example, are entirely opinion without any provable citation possible. The witnessers - who are specifically directed at Great Debates - are under no requirement to provide proof of their assertions.

So both opinions and facts are allowable in Great Debates. We do occasionally run into an issue where posters confuse the two and it can lead to long, LONG threads without resolution. But really, that hardly ever happens, right?

Right?

It absolutely is.

You are trying to weasel out of a situation where the discussion was clear. The clarity is based on language. Language is not a God-given set of absolute rules, but a series of conventions in which multiple speakers agree on the meanings of words in the syntax in which they are presented. If an overwhelming majority of speakers/readers/posters on this board recognize the meaning of the phrase “culturally backward” in the context of a discussion of civil rights in the U.S. in the early 21st century, then that is, by convention, what the language indicates. If you believe that it means something different, that is just your (unsupported) opinion.

You really need to stick to facts.

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At any rate, the question posed in the OP has been answered and I have no desire to engage in rules lawyering with you just so that you can hijack threads in GD.

Also, we very much want honest debate. Posters that develop the habit dishonestly debating - red herrings, continuing to affirm a cite after it’s been soundly disproven and so forth - run the risk of drawing the ire of the kind and loving moderators.

Kentucky is not Georgia.

New York is not New Jersey.

A sub-tropical depression is not a HURRICANE!

Posting false information is bullshit, in any forum, IMO of course.

You are only allowed to wield it if you are worthy. Sort of like Thor’s hammer.

People make mistakes. Everyone does.

When corrected, it’s extremely poor form to continue going on about it. It makes it appear that one is handwaving away an argument based on the mistake rather than engaging one’s interlocutor.

Ivory Tower Denizen, right?

But New Jersey, under some conditions, may well be New York. Ask the Giants or the Jets.

Facts!

Have I done that? If so, where?

I’m not saying you have. However, we have certainly had posters who have done so in the past - and doubtless will in the future - and I’d prefer to make clear right now that it’s only tolerated so far.

Of course people make mistakes. I know I do. But what about people who constantly make mistakes, over and over and over? After awhile, it’s no longer a mistake.