# Facts won't change your mind about anything **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 19, 2015, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/facts-wont-change-your-mind-about-anything/710293 "2015-01-19T17:29:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 176
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/facts-wont-change-your-mind-about-anything/710293/176 "2015-01-27T03:10:36Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Just link us to where you mentioned winters, or snow getting worse. It’s called evidence. You can use Google to make it easy on yourself. :rolleyes: Again, the point I was making was about the accelerated loss of ice, caused by more warming at the north polar regions, and indeed I pointed that out a long time ago. The snow getting worse in some regions of the norther hemisphere is a more recent development. As Cohen explained that loss of ice is one of the reasons why more water vapor is rising up in the region and it is not rain that falls down but more snow, you are missing that the north pole with winter temperatures from −43 °C to −26 °C can then take an increase of several degrees and still, thanks to the arctic amplification, the cold can spill to other areas and it is not rain what will fall down. That precipitation was going to get worse in some regions and it was possible to have cold spells in a warming world was pointed out by me before with an assistance by **Colibri** : [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15654019&postcount=40](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15654019&postcount=40) [some quotes shortened to avoid harsh language from the pit] [QUOTE=Colibri] In fact, global climate change predicts more extreme weather of all kinds - not just heat waves and droughts, but also floods and even cold spells. Weather is basically caused by the heat trying to redistribute itself between equatorial regions and polar ones. When there is more heat near the equator, it requires more intensive flow of air masses to move that heat north. And this produces more extreme weather events of all kinds. [/QUOTE] > [@](#): > > In an Oct. 30 blog post, Mark Fischetti of Scientific American took a spin through Ph.D.-land and found more and more credentialed experts willing to shrug off the climate caveats. The broadening consensus: “Climate change amps up other basic factors that contribute to big storms. For example, the oceans have warmed, providing more energy for storms. And the Earth’s atmosphere has warmed, so it retains more moisture, which is drawn into storms and is then dumped on us.” Even those of us who are science-phobic can get the gist of that. Many times I did reference this analogy of how Steroids in Baseball are like CO2 in the atmosphere: > **[Climate change’s observable impacts on humans](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=651412)** > > This thread asks questions that are based on a rudimentary understanding of climate science. Questioning or denying the basics of climate science should be done in another thread. If possible, I would like to ask the mods to consider outright or... > [@Climate change’s observable impacts on humans](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/climate-change-s-observable-impacts-on-humans/621579/11): > > Yes there is, normally high temperature records and cold records should be about even, now there are three heat records for every cold one. This analogy originated by a UCAR climate scientist and was also linked by me many times before, what is important this time is that he made the point that even in a warming world there would still be chances for very harsh cold records. (Big pile of snow falling in a hapless guy in the animation) [https://www2.ucar.edu/atmosnews/attribution/steroids-baseball-climate-change](https://www2.ucar.edu/atmosnews/attribution/steroids-baseball-climate-change) And the point in a subsequent post was that (And from 2012): > [@Why Would Insurers Tell Untruths About Global Warming?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-would-insurers-tell-untruths-about-global-warming/614928/31): > > Meh, that still keeps the idea that colder global years would be expected (Tails you lose) you still said that “we could be in for year after year after year of even cooler temperatures, with any number of pipes freezing amidst record-breaking cold, and the CAGW crowd would claim their predictions had come true”. Nope, in reality harsher winters are predicted (due to more water vapor in the atmosphere), once again global temperatures are likely to increase 3 degrees with a doubling of CO2 and one can still expect cold and harsher winters, but not cooler than the averages of before. And as I pointed out, that the average temperature can increase 3 degrees with a doubling of CO2 since the industrial revolution one can see that we can indeed continue to get harsh winters. As Cohen points out, we have the mechanism now to know when and where to expect them and thanks to global warming. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/facts-wont-change-your-mind-about-anything/710293)._