It’s an example of exactly how “the debate” stalls, and turns into muddied waters. I know exactly what I mean by my terms, and offer clear definitions and links to sources. When YOU ask a question about something, it’s on you to explain what you are asking about.
This blanket refusal to simply state your case, when asked directly, seems to be a hallmark of the disaster side of the debate. Obviously I can do the heavy lifting, and describe the entire list of issues at the heart of the debate, I’ve done it multiple times. It doesn’t make any difference.
Facts don’t seem to matter at all. Not even a little bit.
It doesn’t cost me anything to argue for global warming, and I have stated clearly multiple times that science tells us that we are increasing the CO2 levels, along with other vast changes to the world. And these things will, and are, changing the biosphere, the land, rivers, forests, oceans and atmosphere.
The most egregious opponents are those that dismiss the very idea itself, that we can in any way alter our world with our actions. This is pure denial, the actual denial-ism that is an affront to the scientific mind. I’ve read those who deny that CO2 even causes any greenhouse effect, which is the most base level of denial. These people actually believe no matter how much CO2 we add to the mix, it won’t change anything. Or it will be so tiny we can’t measure it. That seems like pure denial, they don’t even want any study of the matter, which is indeed like the same problems with tobacco, coal, mercury, lead, arsenic, or Methyl tert-butyl ether (MTBE).
MTBE is a prime example of a known carcinogen being used when the evidence was overwhelming that it was very bad news for humans and everything else. The groundwater contamination from it is truly hideous. That it was the replacement for lead is just horrific irony, since lead wasn’t nearly as bad for most of us as it’s replacement.
But none of those facts has caused it to be banned. It’s still used, it’s like so many other solvents and chemicals and other compounds, which the facts are not really in dispute. But the facts don’t run the show.