# Fahrenheit 9/11 out on DVD/VHS! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 4, 2004, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fahrenheit-9-11-out-on-dvd-vhs/267457 "2004-10-04T14:06:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fahrenheit-9-11-out-on-dvd-vhs/267457/1 "2004-10-04T14:06:38Z")
Tomorrow, anyway. I know a couple of people who have already gotten theirs from [amazon.com](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005JNEI/qid=1096898317/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-0933001-1079060?v=glance&s=dvd) but haven’t watched it yet. Here are the extras: - “The Release of Fahrenheit 9/11” featurette - “Iraq, Pre-War” featurette: The people of Iraq on the eve of invasion - “Homeland security, Miami style” featurette: Footage of the old men who patrol the Florida coast looking for terrorists as part of the homeland security plan - “Outside Abu Ghraib Prison” - Eyewitness account from Samara, Iraq - “Lila, D.C.”: Lila Lipscomb at the Washington, D.C. premiere - Arab-American comedians: Their acts and experiences after 9/11 - Extended interview: More with Abdul Henderson - “Condi 9/11”: Condoleezza Rice’s 9/11 Commission testimony - “Bush Rose Garden”: George W. Bush’s full press briefing after 9/11 Commission appearance I don’t want to get this post thrown into the Pit, but it is popular in certain right-leaning political circles to brand this movie as full of “lies” to encourage people not to see it. To counter that, Moore has a [6 part Factual Backup](http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/f911notes/) section on his web site. I’d urge anyone who’s interested in the movie, or just the controversy, to check it out, look at the pages on Moore’s site, and judge for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fahrenheit-9-11-out-on-dvd-vhs/267457/2 "2004-10-04T14:07:19Z")
Yippee. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Spree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@Spree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spree)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fahrenheit-9-11-out-on-dvd-vhs/267457/3 "2004-10-04T14:17:54Z")
I saw it at the theater and plan to go get it tomorrow. I know several people who were planning to wait until it came out on video, and I’ve already got a couple of viewings planned this week, requested by interested parties. I was wondering if the video release would get any attention, and if the release would affect the polls or not. I figure most people who might be influenced by it have already seen it (my friends are already voting Dem), but maybe it will reach a few more undecideds. (I remember the detractors saying it was a flash in the pan and that nobody would would want to see it. Box Office Mojo has it at $209 million worldwide. Not bad, eh? 😃 ) ---
**Author:** ![caphis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19adc/32.png) [@caphis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caphis)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fahrenheit-9-11-out-on-dvd-vhs/267457/4 "2004-10-04T14:58:25Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Yippee. :rolleyes: Thanks for your meaningful contribution! It’s always nice to see such extensive thoughts! ---
**Author:** ![MrFantsyPants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ba0ec/32.png) [@MrFantsyPants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrFantsyPants)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fahrenheit-9-11-out-on-dvd-vhs/267457/5 "2004-10-04T15:30:41Z")
You know, I always figured that if Moore really wanted to affect the outcome of the election, he’d be making sure that this was shown on TV before November. I guess he decided to go for an Oscar instead. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fahrenheit-9-11-out-on-dvd-vhs/267457/6 "2004-10-04T15:44:13Z")
I heard from a shocking amount of people who really wanted to see it but just never go to the theater. They’ll be renting or buying the DVD. They’re all liberals, but as you said Spree, it could reach a fair amount of undecideds. RikWriter, I take it you haven’t seen it…? > [@MrFantsyPants](#): > > You know, I always figured that if Moore really wanted to affect the outcome of the election, he’d be making sure that this was shown on TV before November. I guess he decided to go for an Oscar instead. No, he did pull it out of Oscar contention in the Documentary category so, if he can find a station to show it, it can be shown on TV. It’s still eligible for the other categories, such as Best Picture (no hope of that) or Best Director (possible) or Best Editing (likely). Movies in the Documentary category can’t be shown on TV within 9 months of release. That doesn’t apply for the other categories. ---
**Author:** ![Duderdude2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cdc98d/32.png) [@Duderdude2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duderdude2)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fahrenheit-9-11-out-on-dvd-vhs/267457/7 "2004-10-04T15:58:03Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Yippee. :rolleyes: Hey, you and the OP have the exact same amount of posts. Perhaps you two have more in common than you thought 😉 This hijack has been brought to you by Duderdude2. ---
**Author:** ![NotWithoutRage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@NotWithoutRage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotWithoutRage)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fahrenheit-9-11-out-on-dvd-vhs/267457/8 "2004-10-04T16:03:03Z")
Just put it on my Netflix 🙂 Thx. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fahrenheit-9-11-out-on-dvd-vhs/267457/9 "2004-10-04T16:12:59Z")
I saw it on Sat night. As with Bowling for Columbine, some of it is incredibly compelling; some of it looks staged & artificial. On the whole, though, it worked. The most surprising thing (for me, at least) was the footage of protests at the Bush inauguration. I don’t recall seeing anything like this during the coverage at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Duderdude2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cdc98d/32.png) [@Duderdude2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duderdude2)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fahrenheit-9-11-out-on-dvd-vhs/267457/10 "2004-10-04T16:16:39Z")
> [@Duderdude2](#): > > Hey, you and the OP have the exact same amount of posts. Perhaps you two have more in common than you thought 😉 > > This hijack has been brought to you by Duderdude2. Damnit Equipoise, you ruined it! Selfish bastard 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fahrenheit-9-11-out-on-dvd-vhs/267457/11 "2004-10-04T16:19:07Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > Movies in the Documentary category can’t be shown on TV within 9 months of release. That doesn’t apply for the other categories. Why is that, by the way? Seems like a stupid rule, especially since most documentary filmmakers aren’t anywhere near as wealthy or famous as Moore and could probably use the cash from a quick TV deal (if they could get one). ---
**Author:** ![LeRoi\_Lezard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/53a042/32.png) [@LeRoi\_Lezard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeRoi_Lezard)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fahrenheit-9-11-out-on-dvd-vhs/267457/12 "2004-10-04T16:23:34Z")
> [@Spree](#): > > I saw it at the theater and plan to go get it tomorrow. I know several people who were planning to wait until it came out on video, and I’ve already got a couple of viewings planned this week, requested by interested parties. > > I was wondering if the video release would get any attention, and if the release would affect the polls or not. I figure most people who might be influenced by it have already seen it (my friends are already voting Dem), but maybe it will reach a few more undecideds. > > (I remember the detractors saying it was a flash in the pan and that nobody would would want to see it. Box Office Mojo has it at $209 million worldwide. Not bad, eh? 😃 ) Actually, Box Office Mojo says its total gross is [$119 million](http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/alphabetical.htm?letter=F&p=.htm). That means that more people paid for Armageddon ($201 million). ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fahrenheit-9-11-out-on-dvd-vhs/267457/13 "2004-10-04T16:31:44Z")
Note that **Spree** said $209M _worldwide_, the $119M is domestic. [Link.](http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=fahrenheit911.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Spree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@Spree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spree)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fahrenheit-9-11-out-on-dvd-vhs/267457/14 "2004-10-04T16:56:53Z")
> [@LeRoi Lezard](#): > > Actually, Box Office Mojo says its total gross is [$119 million](http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/alphabetical.htm?letter=F&p=.htm). That means that more people paid for Armageddon ($201 million). Wow, comparing a documentary to a summer blockbuster. You sure showed me! 😉 The $210 figure did mean worldwide - thanks for providing the link, **ftg**. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fahrenheit-9-11-out-on-dvd-vhs/267457/15 "2004-10-04T17:19:18Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > Why is that, by the way? Seems like a stupid rule, especially since most documentary filmmakers aren’t anywhere near as wealthy or famous as Moore and could probably use the cash from a quick TV deal (if they could get one). I don’t know why. Here are the Academy Award rules: > [@](#): > > [Special Rules for The Documentary Awards](http://www.oscars.org/77academyawards/rules/rule12.html) > … > No television or internet transmission shall occur at any time prior to, or within the nine months following, the first day of the qualifying exhibition, and not before completing the minimum four-city two-day theatrical runs. Any documentary which is transmitted anywhere in the world in any version as a television or internet program within this period will automatically be disqualified from award eligibility. > … Here’s Michael Moore’s take on his decision: [Why I Will Not Seek a Best Documentary Oscar (I’m giving it up in the hopes more voters can see “Fahrenheit 9/11”)](http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2004-09-06) ---
**Author:** ![LeRoi\_Lezard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/53a042/32.png) [@LeRoi\_Lezard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeRoi_Lezard)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fahrenheit-9-11-out-on-dvd-vhs/267457/16 "2004-10-04T17:21:34Z")
> [@Spree](#): > > Wow, comparing a documentary to a summer blockbuster. You sure showed me! 😉 > > The $210 figure did mean worldwide - thanks for providing the link, **ftg**. Actually, I was just comparing it to another crapfest that a lot of people went to see. Both films combine a few facts with a lot of wild theories and half-truths, and neither is very good. And since Fahrenheit 9/11 was a politcal ad and not a documentary, the fact that half of its gross came from foreigners who can’t vote here is meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fahrenheit-9-11-out-on-dvd-vhs/267457/17 "2004-10-04T18:03:41Z")
> [@LeRoi Lezard](#): > > Actually, I was just comparing it to another crapfest that a lot of people went to see. Both films combine a few facts with a lot of wild theories and half-truths, and neither is very good. > > And since Fahrenheit 9/11 was a politcal ad and not a documentary, the fact that half of its gross came from foreigners who can’t vote here is meaningless. Really? So the money isn’t spendable and thus is pointless? :wally ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fahrenheit-9-11-out-on-dvd-vhs/267457/18 "2004-10-04T19:03:24Z")
> [@LeRoi Lezard](#): > > Actually, I was just comparing it to another crapfest that a lot of people went to see. Both films combine a few facts with a lot of wild theories and half-truths, and neither is very good. Actually, if you read the OP, I included a link to the 6-page [Factual Backup](http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/f911notes/) section on Michael Moore’s web site. Have you seen **Fahrenheit 9/11**? I remember LOTS of facts, one or two half-truths and no wild theories I can think of (not to say there aren’t any, it has been months since I’ve seen it). The bulk of it is file footage and interviews. Much of what Moore presented in the movie was new to a lot of people. Those who had been paying attention were already aware of most of the events. For instance, I read about the Saudi/Bush connection months before Moore even started making the movie (ok, I don’t have a timeline, but this isn’t Great Debates, and it was before the movie was made). It wasn’t new with Moore, and there have been plenty of other sources since to back up what Moore presented. > [@jsc1953](#): > > I saw it on Sat night. As with Bowling for Columbine, some of it is incredibly compelling; some of it looks staged & artificial. On the whole, though, it worked. Just out of curiousity, what seemed staged and artificial? If I were answering that question, the two points where Moore gets “Moore-like” (reading the “Patriot” Act and trying to sign up congresscritter’s kids) are definitely staged and artificial, but I’m trying to think of what else. > [@jsc1953](#): > > The most surprising thing (for me, at least) was the footage of protests at the Bush inauguration. I don’t recall seeing anything like this during the coverage at the time. Bingo for one of the most powerful aspects of the movie. Moore shows you things that the media never did. (Paranoid about my post count now…) ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fahrenheit-9-11-out-on-dvd-vhs/267457/19 "2004-10-04T20:22:38Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > Just out of curiousity, what seemed staged and artificial? If I were answering that question, the two points where Moore gets “Moore-like” (reading the “Patriot” Act and trying to sign up congresscritter’s kids) are definitely staged and artificial, but I’m trying to think of what else. “Staged” in that I had a distinct feeling that he was using actors, not “real people”. There were two scenes that rang my bs-meter: the two elderly women (apparently playing bridge at a senior center) – their lines were too clear and well-thought-out; and the soldier complaining about the relative pay he gets for driving a truck, vs a Halliburton employee. His uniform had a suspicious lack of insignia. In both cases, the sound was too good, too. I had no disagreement with the points Moore/his characters were making; I just think he hired actors to make them. ---
**Author:** ![Astroboy14](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@Astroboy14](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astroboy14)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fahrenheit-9-11-out-on-dvd-vhs/267457/20 "2004-10-04T20:32:26Z")
It’s coming out on DVD already? Huh. I meant to go see it in the theater, but didn’t get around to it (as with most movies that I mean to go see in the theater). Guess I’ll have to rent it sometime soon… I don’t expect that it’ll sway my opinions in any real way, but I am curious to see what all the fuss is about. (for what it’s worth, I’m not a big fan of Moore’s. Roger and ME was brilliantly funny, but it’s all been downhill from there IMO.) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fahrenheit-9-11-out-on-dvd-vhs/267457.md?page=2)