# Failing to pay a prostitute. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 1, 2015, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/failing-to-pay-a-prostitute/721385 "2015-06-01T21:31:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2015, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/failing-to-pay-a-prostitute/721385/41 "2015-06-03T16:08:15Z")
> [@cladking](#): > > It’s obviously not rape and is more serious than theft. > > How about making hormones without a license? > > Sorry. This killed when I was on sixth grade. I remember the joke as “how do you make a hormone?- Don’t pay her!” I think it’s theft, not rape. The prostitute was willing to have the sex, the just failed to honor the verbal contract. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2015, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/failing-to-pay-a-prostitute/721385/42 "2015-06-03T16:26:43Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > So, she didn’t know she was raped until the check bounced? That’s the \*other \*old joke. A woman goes to the store and pays with a $100 bill. The clerk says, “I’m sorry, miss, this is counterfeit.” The woman responds, “My god, I’ve been raped!” ---
**Author:** ![Shin\_Ji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Shin\_Ji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shin_Ji)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2015, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/failing-to-pay-a-prostitute/721385/43 "2015-06-03T16:28:54Z")
> [@UDS](#): > > She did. He gave her a well-stuffed envelope which, he assured her, contained $850. He asked her not to open it to check the contents as this would be inconsistent with his fantasy, that they had a romantic relationship in which they trusted one another. She agreed, and didn’t open the envelope until afterwards. As a provider of (non-sexual) services, I’ve been burned by this sort of thing too. “It’s almost Christmas! If you tutor my son now, I’ll have the money for you next week.” Man, was I pissed when next week came around. Theoretically, I could have sued, but it didn’t seem worth the effort and expense. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2015, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/failing-to-pay-a-prostitute/721385/44 "2015-06-03T16:31:16Z")
Breach of contract? Then perhaps he’d have the affirmative defense for not paying in that she failed to perform as agreed. Additionally, there may be issues of her not being - uh - sanitary where hygiene is necessary for a working girl. Clearly a failure of consideration issue would arise when it was discovered that those magnificent boobs were hard, non-pliable implants, and the wax job was a week old and felt more like petting a cactus than a beaver. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2015, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/failing-to-pay-a-prostitute/721385/45 "2015-06-03T17:29:48Z")
See post 30. ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2015, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/failing-to-pay-a-prostitute/721385/46 "2015-06-03T18:28:07Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > Yikes. I can’t count the number of times a client has stiffed me, and I’ve never gotten counseling. I think in this context you’ll have to be more explicit about the meaning of the word “stiffed”. 😉 I’ve heard that in areas where prostitution is illegal that one scenario is to charge for the rental of a camera and purchase of film, and that sex then occurs during the “photoshoot” just from mutual consent. Non-payment or fraud would allow a legal charge of theft of services. Another scheme is to have the pimp collect money instead of the worker so that the exchange of money for sex does not ‘actually’ occur. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2015, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/failing-to-pay-a-prostitute/721385/47 "2015-06-04T01:01:16Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > See post 30. You ignored one fact. Prostitution is legal in some jurisdictions in this country. You may wish to fix your post accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2015, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/failing-to-pay-a-prostitute/721385/48 "2015-06-04T03:09:50Z")
There was recently some debate over whether rape by deception even covers situations such as self aggrandizement, basically if any lie or exaggeration told before consent is given invalidates consent. Opinions range all over the place, personally I believe rape by deception should only cover situations where someone is impersonating another person, such as identical twin brothers. Because otherwise consent is given, and it really falls on the person consenting to do their due diligence. You quickly fall into a world view where nearly all sex can be called rape. EDIT:I think there was a case in the media about a woman claiming rape by deception because her boyfriend lied about being mixed race. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2015, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/failing-to-pay-a-prostitute/721385/49 "2015-06-04T03:19:47Z")
> **[Arab guilty of rape after consensual sex with Jew](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/21/arab-guilty-rape-consensual-sex-jew)** > > A man has been sentenced to 18 months in prison after telling a woman that he was also Jewish Man is convicted of rape by deception for telling a woman he was jewish, when he was actually an arab. Not sure if this is the case I remembered or not. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2015, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/failing-to-pay-a-prostitute/721385/50 "2015-06-04T07:40:19Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > You ignored one fact. Prostitution is legal in some jurisdictions in this country. > You may wish to fix your post accordingly. See post 30 again. ---
**Author:** ![Razncain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@Razncain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razncain)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2015, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/failing-to-pay-a-prostitute/721385/51 "2015-06-04T13:40:43Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > See post 30. What was said there, that wasn’t said in post 7 and post 17? ---
**Author:** ![Ze\_Pr0fes0re](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/8dc957/32.png) [@Ze\_Pr0fes0re](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ze_Pr0fes0re)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2015, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/failing-to-pay-a-prostitute/721385/52 "2015-06-04T15:54:29Z")
What does it matter if it’s rape or not? The action is still the same. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2015, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/failing-to-pay-a-prostitute/721385/53 "2015-06-04T16:54:15Z")
> [@razncain](#): > > What was said there, that wasn’t said in post 7 and post 17? Nothing, really. My post was just cooler than yours. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/failing-to-pay-a-prostitute/721385.md?page=2)