# Fake Democrats lose in Wisconsin recall primary **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 21, 2011, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fake-democrats-lose-in-wisconsin-recall-primary/589809 "2011-07-21T03:47:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fake-democrats-lose-in-wisconsin-recall-primary/589809/101 "2011-08-11T12:55:35Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I have zero doubt that enjoying failure is something you do. > > Walker didn’t run on destroying unions. He just did it against a strong popular opinion. Abraham Lincoln denied quorum by [jumping out of a window](http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/may/30/mark-miller/wisconsin-senate-minority-leader-mark-miller-says-/). It’s a perfectly normal tactic when a power mad idiot like Walker decides to pull something the populace is against. I don’t agree that the populace was so strongly against this action, and I don’t agree Walker is either power-mad or an idiot. However, I do agree that the action to deny quorum are perfectly legitimate and have been used by all manner of folks, both saints and sinners. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fake-democrats-lose-in-wisconsin-recall-primary/589809/102 "2011-08-11T14:54:50Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I don’t agree that the populace was so strongly against this action, [ > [@](#): > > The University of Wisconsin Survey Center’s Badger Poll found that 59 percent of residents disapprove of the performance of Walker ]([HuffPost - Breaking News, Politics, Entertainment & Opinion](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/13/scott-walker-approval-rating_n_897910.html)) > [@](#): > > and I don’t agree Walker is either power-mad or an idiot. Well, he didn’t run on the idea of dismantling union power. He tried to squeak it past with little fanfare. I would say that’s 1. a dumb idea, and 2. enamored of the power he suddenly held. But we can agree to disagree on that point. > [@](#): > > However, I do agree that the action to deny quorum are perfectly legitimate and have been used by all manner of folks, both saints and sinners. Amen. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fake-democrats-lose-in-wisconsin-recall-primary/589809/103 "2011-08-11T16:55:55Z")
If doing something that you didn’t explicitly run on was grounds to be recalled, we’d be holding recalls every year. I’ve never seen a politician do those things (s)he explicitly said (s)he would when (s)he ran for office, and nothing more. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fake-democrats-lose-in-wisconsin-recall-primary/589809/104 "2011-08-11T17:03:06Z")
Nate Silver has run the numbers on Walker’s recall, based on these recalls and Walker’s previous performance, and finds that it’s basically a toss-up. Of course, by the time he’s actually eligible for recall, we’ll have a lot more data to calibrate that with. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fake-democrats-lose-in-wisconsin-recall-primary/589809/105 "2011-08-11T17:06:00Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > If doing something that you didn’t explicitly run on was grounds to be recalled, we’d be holding recalls every year. I’ve never seen a politician do those things (s)he explicitly said (s)he would when (s)he ran for office, and nothing more. I’d agree. But attempting to destroy unions isn’t the same thing as increasing a sales tax or cutting spending on city parks. Remember, the unions offered Walker the monetary concessions he wanted. He ignored it, because destroying unions was his goal, not saving money. He knows that corporations favor the right, and unions favor the left. This would be the equivalent of some lefty politician instituting a horridly damaging piece of tax code that reams corporations. It’s a big deal. And he got away with it because of the Republican Wave. The citizens of Wisconsin didn’t know they were signing up for this and they are rightly angry. ---
**Author:** ![ChrisMatthews\_ThrillUpHisLeg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71c47a/32.png) [@ChrisMatthews\_ThrillUpHisLeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChrisMatthews_ThrillUpHisLeg)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fake-democrats-lose-in-wisconsin-recall-primary/589809/106 "2011-08-11T18:47:37Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > The citizens of Wisconsin didn’t know they were signing up for this and they are rightly angry. Many citizens are more than satisfied. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2011, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fake-democrats-lose-in-wisconsin-recall-primary/589809/107 "2011-08-11T18:49:46Z")
> [@ChrisMatthews\_ThrillUpHisLeg](#): > > Many citizens are more than satisfied. If you’ll note the poll I linked, the large majority are not. ---
**Author:** ![Orr\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ee59a6/32.png) [@Orr\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orr_G)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fake-democrats-lose-in-wisconsin-recall-primary/589809/108 "2011-08-17T13:09:43Z")
The two Democrats up for recall yesterday managed to hang on to their seats. > **[Two Democrats hold off recall challenges](https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections/article_6a2f5ef2-c84c-11e0-9d6d-001cc4c002e0.html)** > > Two Democratic Wisconsin state senators targeted by Republicans survived their elections Tuesday, ending a tumultuous summer of recalls spurred by anger over how lawmakers reacted to Gov. Scott Walker's proposal [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fake-democrats-lose-in-wisconsin-recall-primary/589809.md?page=5)