# Falcon and the Winter Soldier (Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [March 19, 2021, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-spoilers/938217 "2021-03-19T08:44:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-spoilers/938217/461 "2021-04-25T01:44:13Z")
Um. But that is what we got. That angle you provided doesn’t show it off very well, so… Here is the comics version of Sam Wilson’s Cap, compared with the TV series. [![](https://thedirect.s3.amazonaws.com/media/photos/falconcap.jpg) ](https://thedirect.s3.amazonaws.com/media/photos/falconcap.jpg) [![](https://staticg.sportskeeda.com/editor/2021/04/981ed-16192291404312-800.jpg) ](https://staticg.sportskeeda.com/editor/2021/04/981ed-16192291404312-800.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2021, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-spoilers/938217/462 "2021-04-26T00:38:02Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > If she grew up as a street scrapper, it’s not actually unrealistic for her to take on a special operations veteran in a fight. In the real world, hand to hand combat hasn’t been a primary focus for military training for a few centuries. It’s entirely realistic for a street kid in the most crime-ridden city in the world to have more experience in actual life-or-death hand-to-hand combat than a military veteran, who would have mostly been shooting people. Is it? I’m not disagreeing with you, I’m honestly curious where you learned this or what leads you to this conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2021, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-spoilers/938217/463 "2021-04-26T00:42:05Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Um. But that is what we got. That angle you provided doesn’t show it off very well, so… Thanks. I guess it just looks better in the comic. I felt it looked kind of cheesy/corny in the show. I’m just happy he’s Captain America, though. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2021, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-spoilers/938217/464 "2021-04-26T00:58:25Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Is it? I’m not disagreeing with you, I’m honestly curious where you learned this or what leads you to this conclusion. I’m a veteran. I’ve had actual military training. The hand-to-hand combat training I got was perfunctory. I got a _lot_ of training in shooting people. Most of the hand-to-hand combat training that does exist in the military is much more about building confidence and aggression than it is about winning a fist fight. Now, I wasn’t in the Infantry, much less special operations, like John Walker was supposed to have been. And I was never actually in combat. But I’ve served with guys who were. They do get more than perfunctory hand-to-hand combat training, but it’s far from the focus of their training. In the real world, guns beat knives 100% of the time. If you’re unarmed and someone is pointing a gun at you, you don’t disarm them, you surrender, because in the real world, you get shot. Hand-to-hand combat is a very niche application in real-world combat. And every hour you spend on hand-to-hand combat training and practice is an hour you’re _not_ spending on training and practice in other skills. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2021, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-spoilers/938217/465 "2021-04-26T15:06:32Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Thanks. I guess it just looks better in the comic. I felt it looked kind of cheesy/corny in the show. I’m just happy he’s Captain America, though. Pretty much all comic book outfits look cheesy in real life. I’m glad they’re embracing it. No more X-Men in black leather. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-spoilers/938217.md?page=23)