# Fallout Episode 8: The Beginning **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, amazon-prime\ **Created:** [April 11, 2024, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143 "2024-04-11T08:13:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2024, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143/101 "2024-04-20T23:18:34Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > My WAG - higher budgets, better produciton values, and more location shooting. Higher than something like Game of Thrones? things haven’t changed that much since then. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2024, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143/102 "2024-04-20T23:21:05Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Game of Thrones Per a quick Google, GoT cost about $6 million per episode. The budget for the first season of Fallout was $153 million. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2024, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143/103 "2024-04-21T00:39:33Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The budget for the first season of Fallout was $153 million. Did any of that include the purchasing of the rights? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2024, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143/104 "2024-04-21T01:07:50Z")
Not sure, but seeing as Bethesda co-produced the series I wonder how much of an expense that was. Here’s my source; > **[Amazon’s ‘Fallout’ to Film Second Season in California With $25 Million Tax...](https://variety.com/2024/biz/news/california-film-tv-tax-incentive-fallout-amazon-1235963577/)** > > Amazon will move 'Fallout' to California for its second season, thanks to $25 million from the state's tax incentive program. > [@](#): > > “Fallout” has the largest budget of any of the shows, at $153 million in qualified expenditures for the season. The first season was produced mostly in New York, with some filming in Utah. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2024, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143/105 "2024-04-21T12:30:34Z")
Since we didn’t see Barb I think it’s 99% certain she’s still alive and probably still high up, if not the single highest up remaining in Vaul-Tec. I wonder where their daughter is. Genre-logic would indicate she’s still alive too, and Coop will have to make some very difficult decisions based on her circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143/106 "2024-04-23T03:46:13Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > > [@DigitalC](#): > > > > What is going on now that it takes 2-3 years to do what used to be done in 1? > > My WAG - higher budgets, better produciton values, and more location shooting. Also, I think that Netflix and other streamers used to approve multiple seasons right off the bat but they’re now being more careful with their funding and approving shows one season at a time. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143/107 "2024-04-23T17:04:24Z")
> [@hogarth](#): > > Also, I think that Netflix and other streamers used to approve multiple seasons right off the bat but they’re now being more careful with their funding and approving shows one season at a time. I get it, but networks didn’t approve a second season until episodes had aired of the first season. Heck, they didn’t even approve beyond the first 13 episodes until they were proving successful. I feel like they managed to renew in March/April and get shows back on TV with fresh episodes by September/October. I wish they could develop a new Fallout or Wheel of Time season in one year time from the announcement of its renewal. “Fallout is renewed! Expect new episodes April 2025!” Like that. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2024, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143/108 "2024-04-23T19:15:07Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I wish they could develop a new Fallout or Wheel of Time season in one year time from the announcement of its renewal. > > “Fallout is renewed! Expect new episodes April 2025!” > > Like that. I mean, that used to be the standard. COVID and then the strike made several years between seasons the new normal, but there really isn’t any reason why it should still be going on now. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2024, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143/109 "2024-04-28T17:36:51Z")
Anyone else appreciate “You’re one to talk, Freddie-boy, you could lose money running a casino!” ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2024, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143/110 "2024-04-29T02:29:46Z")
Yeah. I imagine Sinclair would have lost money with the Sierra Madre, even beyond what the construction was costing him. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143/111 "2024-04-30T04:19:25Z")
James Stephanie Sterling has a video out about why they like the series and why the destruction of Shady Sands doesn’t bother them. I still don’t like that they relocated Shady Sands by several hundred miles, but Sterling makes a good point. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/OxeO6jzNXGk/maxresdefault.jpg "Shady Sands (The Jimquisition)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxeO6jzNXGk) ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143/112 "2024-04-30T17:03:40Z")
This was a good video. I was kind of surprised Stephanie liked the show so much. ---
**Author:** ![Staggerlee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/staggerlee/32/3134_2.png) [@Staggerlee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Staggerlee)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143/113 "2024-05-01T15:03:10Z")
If I were Lucy, as Moldavor told me the truth about my father, I’m sure I would have questioned the revelation that ‘he’ nuked Shady Sands. Doesn’t sound very feasible for a sole, middle-aged vault manager with no military training, super-powers or team to help him. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143/114 "2024-05-01T15:38:26Z")
We have no idea if Lucy understands the mechanics of how someone could nuke a place. And its safe to assume that’s not knowledge the regular Vault Dweller would even be given. She just knows it IS possible to nuke a place. A contempory Moldaver might as well said to me “He over-leveraged the API on the NASDAQ to force an acquisition by proxy vote on the board to accept a tender offer to control the company.” …Ok. I’m going to take your word for it. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143/115 "2024-05-01T15:43:00Z")
> [@Staggerlee](#): > > Doesn’t sound very feasible for a sole, middle-aged vault manager with no military training, super-powers or team to help him. I don’t see why not, if vaultek has nukes its a matter of sending an email. Doesn’t require military training or super powers, and he does have a team. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143/116 "2024-05-01T16:37:57Z")
I wondered briefly about that. How does Vault-Tec have nukes, and what delivery system would they use? Perhaps it was the inactive missile field in The Divide. If Vault-Tec had compromised the command and control mechanism back before the end of the world, they may still have that and the ability to target and initiate launches. > **[The Divide](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/The_Divide)** > > The Divide is a location in Fallout: New Vegas. It is the setting of the Fallout: New Vegas add-on Lonesome Road. An isolated town located on the California/Nevada border, Hopeville and its bigger brother, Ashton, were established in the late 21st... ---
**Author:** ![Staggerlee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/staggerlee/32/3134_2.png) [@Staggerlee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Staggerlee)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143/117 "2024-05-01T18:04:19Z")
I’ve never got the impression that Vaults can communicate with their ‘HQ’, but I’ll accept that’s possible. I still don’t see how he has a team though; I suppose he could defrost a couple of two-hundred year old office managers to help. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143/118 "2024-05-01T18:05:20Z")
Well I meant vault 31 mostly. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143/119 "2024-05-01T18:11:32Z")
> [@Staggerlee](#): > > If I were Lucy, as Moldavor told me the truth about my father, I’m sure I would have questioned the revelation that ‘he’ nuked Shady Sands. Doesn’t sound very feasible for a sole, middle-aged vault manager with no military training, super-powers or team to help him. He’s a middle manager for a corporation that makes nukes, and has zero ethical or moral compunctions about using them, to an intentionally comical degree. He doesn’t need military training or super-powers to get his hands on a nuke. There’s probably a form he can fill out. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143/120 "2024-05-01T18:27:30Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > There’s probably a form he can fill out. In triplicate, of course. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallout-episode-8-the-beginning/1000143.md?page=7)