# Fallujah children's 'genetic damage' **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 23, 2010, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784 "2010-07-23T23:27:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784/21 "2010-07-24T11:31:36Z")
We aren’t using Agent Orange in Iraq or Afghanistan. I don’t think we use it at all anymore and haven’t for a long time. ---
**Author:** ![PrettyVacant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/49beb7/32.png) [@PrettyVacant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PrettyVacant)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784/22 "2010-07-24T12:52:22Z")
> [@Todderbob](#): > > You want me to feel guilty, because im an American, because of what America has done, right? > > Why? > > First, why should I feel guilty about what the USA did in vietnam? I acknowledge that the US undertook some very questionable, perhaps even morally incorrect act actions. Why should I feel guilt about it? Might be to do with the notion the USA is allegedly a democracy still - at least nominally- and that what the state does, it does in the name of the people it represents. Crazy thinking I know. One of those old guys thought the same ‘government of the people, for the people . . . .’ From a non-American pov, it’s a little odd that you feel so disconnected now you don’t see the link anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784/23 "2010-07-24T13:33:46Z")
> [@PrettyVacant](#): > > Might be to do with the notion the USA is allegedly a democracy still - at least nominally- and that what the state does, it does in the name of the people it represents. > > Crazy thinking I know. One of those old guys thought the same ‘government of the people, for the people . . . .’ > > From a non-American pov, it’s a little odd that you feel so disconnected now you don’t see the link anymore. Learning from history is a wise idea, but bearing the guilt and shame? How many generations would you suggest we visit the sins of the fathers down? ---
**Author:** ![PrettyVacant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/49beb7/32.png) [@PrettyVacant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PrettyVacant)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784/24 "2010-07-24T14:26:29Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Learning from history is a wise idea, but bearing the guilt and shame? How many generations would you suggest we visit the sins of the fathers down? A bogus claim of WMD resulting in several hundred thousand dead Iraqis might be a starting point, somewhat underscored by the fact of the re-election of that representation of the people, for the people. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784/25 "2010-07-24T21:26:13Z")
> [@Zanthor](#): > > do you think that what you fell matters/ or that i care what you feel? Instantly losing the interest of, well, everyone but yourself. You don’t care, we don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784/26 "2010-07-24T23:16:52Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > > [@Zanthor](#): > > > > do you think that what you fell matters/ or that i care what you feel? > > Instantly losing the interest of, well, everyone but yourself. You don’t care, we don’t care. what i said was, personal feelings rate way down the list on just what is important. as in, its NOT about you, Nor Me, what we personally think or feel is near irrelevant.. What we are going to do about it, way more important… You seem to keep want to make it so personal, but sorry, its just not… get over it, move on, admit we lay waste to foreign nations with all kinds of weapons, to them they are WMD!!! to us, just ordinance, that we use inflict wholesale death upon mostly innocents… IE, the concept of just what is an WMD, is subjective… This thread, its about we have done to them. I guess these concepts are too hard for you? Empathy, Compassion, Mercy etc etc etc. best put it in the too hard basket, the Pit, guess that fits, its where our morals and ethics lie… so, you think our !st lady of War, Clinton. in Vietnam, currently, to date, , when preented with picss and vid of kids deformed with Agent Orange not important? Shucks, Gomer Pile, the net is buzzing with the story… here is one. Agent Orange Cleanup: A Priority for Hillary Clinton in Vietnam [http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/07/20/agent-orange-cleanup-a-priority-for-hillary-clinton-in-vietnam/](http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/07/20/agent-orange-cleanup-a-priority-for-hillary-clinton-in-vietnam/) excerpt. The last stop on Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s Asian tour this week is Vietnam, where she will discuss among other things an enduring remnant of the war, the after-effects of Agent Orange. The U.S. government belatedly recognized the impact of the deadly defoliant on American troops, but has resisted accepting responsibility for the damage the chemical inflicted on the Vietnamese with birth defects still evident decades after the end of the war. article continues… Need me to link to to all the links detailing our decimation of Fallujah with God knows what, how their birth defects in theirt new borne have skyrocketed these past few years? There are many, the latest ones calling for redress… Too hard for you??? Do you not know how to admit culpability? do soom research, fess up? Pay damages??? compen$ate for our inhumanity? Guess not… huh? Zanthor ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784/27 "2010-07-25T00:20:39Z")
> [@](#): > > [WMD](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon_of_mass_destruction#United_States) > Within U.S. civil defense organizations, the category is now Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear, and Explosive (CBRNE), which defines WMD as: > > ``` > (1) Any explosive, incendiary, poison gas, bomb, grenade, or rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces [113 g], missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce [7 g], or mine or device similar to the above. (2) Poison gas. (3) Any weapon involving a disease organism. (4) Any weapon that is designed to release radiation at a level dangerous to human life. > > ``` Am I misunderstanding or does that pretty much make anything that goes “boom” a WMD? Doesn’t that sort of negate the definition? ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784/28 "2010-07-25T00:24:24Z")
Hey, Zanthor, you’re stupid. Mmmmkay? ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784/29 "2010-07-25T00:26:33Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > [WMD](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon_of_mass_destruction#United_States) > > Within U.S. civil defense organizations, the category is now Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear, and Explosive (CBRNE), which defines WMD as: > > > > ``` > > (1) Any explosive, incendiary, poison gas, bomb, grenade, or rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces [113 g], missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce [7 g], or mine or device similar to the above. (2) Poison gas. (3) Any weapon involving a disease organism. (4) Any weapon that is designed to release radiation at a level dangerous to human life. > > > > ``` > > Am I misunderstanding or does that pretty much make anything that goes “boom” a WMD? Doesn’t that sort of negate the definition? lol, for sure, especially if you live in a mud hut, see your whole village annihilated in one moment of time… cruise missiles, cluster bombs, napalm, DU, White Phos.etc etc etc. what i said was the degree of WMD we inflict upon them is only relative… to them a WMD might be a pitchfork, wielded by one angry villager, or an IED set against American Invaders. its the best they can do against our arsenal of weapons… So, you ready to comment yet about the countries who we lay waste to escalating birth defects ?? let me know when you are.. sure got to be evasive, prob curious nonetheless. Zan ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784/30 "2010-07-25T00:27:41Z")
> [@Todderbob](#): > > Hey, Zanthor, you’re stupid. > > Mmmmkay? Must be, prob cos i am prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt you are intelligent… or caring, ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784/31 "2010-07-25T00:36:57Z")
> [@Zanthor](#): > > O.P. > > BBC News – Fallujah children’s ‘genetic damage’ > 21 Jul 2010 … Cancer, leukaemia and infant mortality are all increasing in the Iraqi town of Fallujah, which saw fierce fighting between US forces and … > [Fallujah children's 'genetic damage' - BBC News](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-10721562) – 57k – Similar pages > > ok, basically, news has been increasing for ages now about the incredible surging birth defects in Fallujah ( a city in Iraq we rubbled with all kinds of our WMD, basic info for those that neither know nor care where or what Fallujah is.) > > Link Iraq to the story about the affects of Agent orange in Vietnam ( if you like ) > Both tales of woe are synonymous with each other. > basically, the incredible damage we inflict upon foreign nations… > with our approved WMD… > > If you want i can link to Hillary Clinton promising Vietnam she will. look into it, no promise of aid tho… to their deformed offspring.. > ( like virtually nothing has been done to help them for decades, why would it change now? cept if it were not for accountability??? ) > > No likewise promises so far to Iraq tho. > The US so far disavows all responsibility… > > Pictures and Vid I saw of the damaged children in both countries are beyond what humanity should have to suffer… > > [www.rt.com](http://www.rt.com) had a good article on it. > > Thoughts anyone? > > Zanthor [depleted uranium effects - Google Search](http://www.google.com/images?q=depleted+uranium+effects&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=YYRLTLTQA8qHnQe2oLiCDw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CDgQsAQwAw&biw=1600&bih=835) Here are some more pictures of what we have done. ---
**Author:** ![Daithi\_Lacha](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daithi_lacha/32/5430_2.png) [@Daithi\_Lacha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daithi_Lacha)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784/32 "2010-07-25T00:38:13Z")
> [@Zanthor](#): > > self perpetuating lies of vain gloriousness. > > (snip) what i was saying was our self rightousness (snip) > > (y mas snip) Comprehende? one word: vainglorious self-righteousness _Comprende_, not “comprehende.” And seriously, wtf? What’s with the spacing and faux paragraphs? Are you doing this as part of a poetry course? Your argument is weak, and your presentation off-putting. I’m sorry, I don’t usually get involved in these pissing matches, but this is really annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784/33 "2010-07-25T00:38:17Z")
Is anyone even looking yet??? [http://search.icq.com/search/results.php?q=fallujah%2C+birth+defects&tb\_ver=2.0.0.2&lng=en-US&ch\_id=tb\_ff](http://search.icq.com/search/results.php?q=fallujah%2C+birth+defects&tb_ver=2.0.0.2&lng=en-US&ch_id=tb_ff) see also Clintons visit to Vietnam. agent Orange. Like Pontious Pilate, how many times do you have to wash your hands before you can call yourself clean? I say never enough times will be enough . and you have yet to even recognise our hands are bloodstained, let alone consider what we must do to set it right. great going guys… again, too hard for you?. Does the fate of humanity rest on our sense of Justice, fair play, or are we simply what the world calls us, murderers, liars, robbers, cheats??? Selfish Energy consuming gluttons? what say you? ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784/34 "2010-07-25T00:44:04Z")
> [@Daithi\_Lacha](#): > > > [@Zanthor](#): > > > > self perpetuating lies of vain gloriousness. > > > > (snip) what i was saying was our self rightousness (snip) > > > > (y mas snip) Comprehende? > > one word: vainglorious > > self-righteousness > > _Comprende_, not “comprehende.” > > And seriously, wtf? What’s with the spacing and faux paragraphs? Are you doing this as part of a poetry course? Your argument is weak, and your presentation off-putting. I’m sorry, I don’t usually get involved in these pissing matches, but this is really annoying. well, don’t read it then. nor comment no one is forcing you to. if your conscience is clean, pst off. anyways, its not like you are adding anything, about deformed children in the countries we decimate… right? BTW, the way i write is my attempt at Sennyu its how i think, sorry if this is not Kosher for you ---
**Author:** ![Daithi\_Lacha](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daithi_lacha/32/5430_2.png) [@Daithi\_Lacha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daithi_Lacha)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784/35 "2010-07-25T00:51:39Z")
> [@Zanthor](#): > > BTW, the way i write is my attempt at Sennyu > its how i think, > sorry if this is not Kosher for you Ok, I’ll bite: what’s Sennyu? ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784/36 "2010-07-25T00:55:43Z")
> [@Daithi\_Lacha](#): > > > [@Zanthor](#): > > > > BTW, the way i write is my attempt at Sennyu > > its how i think, > > sorry if this is not Kosher for you > > Ok, I’ll bite: what’s Sennyu? Basically Zen, Japanese, like Hiauku, which is about nature, Sennyu is about Human nature,. the difference is in perspective., focus etx google it… ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784/37 "2010-07-25T01:01:19Z")
> [@Zanthor](#): > > > [@Daithi\_Lacha](#): > > > > > [@Zanthor](#): > > > > > > BTW, the way i write is my attempt at Sennyu > > > its how i think, > > > sorry if this is not Kosher for you > > > > Ok, I’ll bite: what’s Sennyu? > > Basically Zen, > Japanese, like Hiauku, which is about nature, Sennyu is about Human nature,. > the difference is in perspective., focus etx > google it… Thats great, for a philosophy classroom. This isnt a philosophy class, this is a forum where we talk about reality, with actual, falsifiable evidence. And we do it like were not first graders who don’t understand how to use punctuation. Also, i did google it, all that came up were some random references to a temple (sennyu-ji) and something on “dramawiki” which I’m not particularly inclined to read. How about you drop the pseudo-zen shit, and post like you’ve got half a brain. ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784/38 "2010-07-25T01:06:03Z")
> [@Todderbob](#): > > > [@Zanthor](#): > > > > > [@Daithi\_Lacha](#): > > > > > > > [@Zanthor](#): > > > > > > > > BTW, the way i write is my attempt at Sennyu > > > > its how i think, > > > > sorry if this is not Kosher for you > > > > > > Ok, I’ll bite: what’s Sennyu? > > > > Basically Zen, > > Japanese, like Hiauku, which is about nature, Sennyu is about Human nature,. > > the difference is in perspective., focus etx > > google it… > > Thats great, for a philosophy classroom. This isnt a philosophy class, this is a forum where we talk about reality, with actual, falsifiable evidence. and i said i type how i think, to explain to you, or at least try to.. cos you seemed to require it. it was a courtesy, sorry you missed its whole meaning totally… huh? your reply has to do with deformed children in countries we decimate just how exactly? as i said, let me know when you are ready to address the topic, if ever you will be. I await with baited breath, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ---
**Author:** ![Daithi\_Lacha](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daithi_lacha/32/5430_2.png) [@Daithi\_Lacha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daithi_Lacha)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784/39 "2010-07-25T01:16:16Z")
> [@Zanthor](#): > > and i said i type how i think, to explain to you, > or at least try to.. > cos you seemed to require it. > it was a courtesy, > sorry you missed its whole meaning totally… huh? > > your reply has to do with deformed children in countries we decimate just how exactly? > as i said, let me know when you are ready to address the topic, if ever you will be. > I await with baited breath, > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz And your reply has to do with a bunch of old cobblers. Your original brief has gone tits-up, so now you try to pretend that your inner thought process is mystical, and that’s why we don’t get it? Bullshit comma pure and utter. Why the fuck should we even pretend to be interested in your OP when you so obviously can’t defend your argument? Hell, you can’t even defend your thought process. Rethink, and try again. ---
**Author:** ![Zanthor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@Zanthor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zanthor)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784/40 "2010-07-25T01:20:27Z")
what i said was. was what i said, how i said it was only the signpost, if you think it mystical, you are again, dreaming… seeing nothing, understanding nothing… the message was deformed children. are we responsible, i say yes. so far you have said zilch, cept attack me. why do you not want to address the topic? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fallujah-childrens-genetic-damage/547784.md?page=3)