# Famous lesbian supports anti-gay bigot. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2009, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081 "2009-09-22T13:54:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081/41 "2009-09-23T17:25:28Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > DADT happened a long time ago, in terms of public opinion on homosexuality. How many Democrats Bush’s supported DOMA? > > ETA: Motherfucker! _Bush’s_ DOMA? It was Bill Clinton who signed it into law. Only 14 Senators opposed it, and only 67 Representatives. While I’m willing to bet that all 81 of them were Dems, that’s still a substantial minority of Democrats serving in Congress at the time. And it may have been a “long time ago,” but what have they done since then to change things around? If the Respect for Marriage act passes, then we can talk about how the Democratic party has changed. In the meantime, I’ll be over here, not holding my breath. ---
**Author:** ![wierdaaron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eada6e/32.png) [@wierdaaron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wierdaaron)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081/42 "2009-09-23T18:47:22Z")
When I read the thread title, I thought it was going to be about Rachel Maddow having Pat Buchanan on her show again. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081/43 "2009-09-23T19:10:46Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > How many black people would support a racist, even if they agreed with him on other issues? [This guy](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuuBVWo_W3U) could. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081/44 "2009-09-23T19:25:26Z")
> [@wierdaaron](#): > > When I read the thread title, I thought it was going to be about Rachel Maddow having Pat Buchanan on her show again. Her “Fake Uncle” Pat’s [last appearance about Justice Sotomayor](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#31952924) might have wrecked their friendship. I really got the impression that she liked and respected Pat even though they were political opposites, that they could have a civil discussion about topics on which their disagreed. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081/45 "2009-09-23T19:37:56Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Democrats supported Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. Democrats supported DOMA. Where, exactly, are these Democrats who aren’t actively working against my interests? In all fairness, DADT was a compromise that was a step in the right direction from where the military was before. It has also allowed the exposure of how damaging the military’s policies against gays can be (case in oint Arab interpreters). Baby steps, maybe, but in the right direction. Can you say the same for Republican initiatives? DOMA was inexcusable for all involved though. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081/46 "2009-09-23T20:17:52Z")
Some of the responses to this old thread of mine might be instructive: [“Is there any such thing as being a race traitor?”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=473480) ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081/47 "2009-09-23T20:22:00Z")
The Republican National Convention has had blatantly anti-gay placards visible on the floor not once but several times. They several times refuses to allow the Log Cabin Republicans participate, and when they did allow (gay Republican and regional LCR president) Stephen Fong to address their '96 convention it was under the condition that he never be identified as gay. Then there’s the LCR mission statement: > [@](#): > > We are loyal Republicans. We believe in limited government, strong national defense, free markets, low taxes, personal responsibility, and individual liberty. I’ll grant we have strong national defense, but we had that under Clinton as well. Limited government, individual liberty and personal responsibility… these are Republican values as evinced by… who exactly? Free markets… well, McCain and Obama voted exactly the same on the bailout. Responsible spending and limited government: Under Reagan/Bush the national debt quadrupled; under Clinton it rose 25%; under Bush 2 it doubled again (due largely to an unnecessary war [and that’s another thing…]). So fuck 'em. Both fumble the ball so I’ll go with the ones who don’t call me a faggot. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081/48 "2009-09-23T20:32:43Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > I could not support anyone who considered me a second-class citizen. How many black people would support a racist, even if they agreed with him on other issues? Funny how people are skirting this important point. ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081/49 "2009-09-24T01:39:49Z")
> [@Chopper9760](#): > > I could see your point if Republicans were advocating killing or jailing homosexuals. Let’s be realistic though, things would have to change drastically in this country for that to be a real concern. So they’re only advocating that we queer types be a _little_ less equal, so it’s not so bad? > [@Sampiro](#): > > Limited government, individual liberty and personal responsibility… these are Republican values as evinced by… who exactly? Not to mention that it’s bullshit. Limited government, unless it’s interfering in _our_ personal relationships (or the relationship between a woman and her doctor), individual liberty except the liberty to comprise our families as we see fit. personal responsibility but if _our_ taxes are higher or we _can’t_ buy insurance for our partners or children (or pay taxes on the money to cover them _before_ it’s deducted from our paychecks) oh well. This is what the LCRs are supporting if they’re supporting the Republican Party _today_. Maybe it’s not their ideal GOP, but that’s what they’re voting for _now_. They’re doing themselves and and the rest of us harm by continuing to lend their support to politicians who want to make sure that limited government, individual liberty and freedom to take personal responsibility _never_ apply to us. So Mary Cheney, second-class citizen lesbian with a second-class citizen pseudofamily with no legal protections just gave money to someone who wants to ensure that she and her family stay exactly where they are, and who wants to continue my oppression in our nation. That’s not just _self_ loathing, that’s outright aggression against the entire LGBT community. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081/50 "2009-09-24T01:52:36Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > \*For those who are going to claim that the Christian Right isn’t homophobic because they don’t HATE gay people, but just think that God disapproves, I answer that it doesn’t, in practical terms, make a difference to me WHERE their attempts to limit my freedom and make me lesser than them come from. True; it doesn’t make a difference in practical terms. (In moral terms, it makes them **worse** ; they project their evil onto an imaginary friend in the sky because they’re too chickenshit to own up to it personally.) ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081/51 "2009-09-24T01:59:04Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Or if the party in power is dedicated to actively working against them to appease their nutcase religious base. Here, we have a basic difference between the Democratic version of Big Government (i.e. tax-and-spend policies) and the Republican version of Big Government (i.e. coercive social engineering). The former is ultimately driven by a desire to grab and redistribute spoils – not exactly morally uplifting, but at least rational and “just business”. The latter is ultimately driven by – I decline to mince words – malice and hatred. [QUOTE=C. S. Lewis] Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. [/QUOTE] The Democrats are the robber barons; the Republicans are the moral busybodies. ---
**Author:** ![El\_DeLuxo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_deluxo/32/9043_2.png) [@El\_DeLuxo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_DeLuxo)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081/52 "2009-09-24T19:11:35Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > That is, by and large, you may find a lot of Republicans who think homosexuality is immoral and that gay marriage should be banned, but that’s a far cry from “God hates fags”. No it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081/53 "2009-09-24T21:46:02Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > That is, by and large, you may find a lot of Republicans who think homosexuality is immoral and that gay marriage should be banned, but that’s a far cry from “God hates fags”. To me the biggest difference is that “God hates fags” is the stock in trade of the Phelps clan who are a bunch of nutcases with no political power (or affiliation) whatever. Republican politicians who are a lot more “moderate” in their views of gays are a helluva lot more dangerous in their ability to make discrimination legal. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081/54 "2009-09-24T22:38:55Z")
> [@DLuxN8R-13](#): > > No it isn’t. Actually it is. In fact it’s the polar opposite. As those people would be of the opinion that God _loves_ everyone, gays and straights alike. It’s the act he disapproves of. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081/55 "2009-09-24T23:51:27Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Actually it is. In fact it’s the polar opposite. As those people would be of the opinion that God _loves_ everyone, gays and straights alike. It’s the act he disapproves of. Bullshit. “The act” is an integral part of who and what I am. If you condemn what I do, you are condemning me. If you condemn the love I have for my partner . . . and the ways I express that love . . . you are condemning the very core of my life. If you believe that “homosexuality is a sin,” then yes, you “hate fags.” ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081/56 "2009-09-25T00:14:26Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Bullshit. “The act” is an integral part of who and what I am. If you condemn what I do, you are condemning me. If you condemn the love I have for my partner . . . and the ways I express that love . . . you are condemning the very core of my life. If you believe that “homosexuality is a sin,” then yes, you “hate fags.” No, it’s not bullshit. I’m not one of the people I’m describing, but a Christian would believe that Christ would love the person, but not necessarily the act. And that that is what Christ would want them to believe. So, the \*\*DLuxN8R-13’\*\*s claim is simply wrong. Have you not heard “love the sinner, hate the sin”? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081/57 "2009-09-25T01:19:49Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > No, it’s not bullshit. I’m not one of the people I’m describing, but a Christian would believe that Christ would love the person, but not necessarily the act. And that that is what Christ would want them to believe. So, the \*\*DLuxN8R-13’\*\*s claim is simply wrong. Have you not heard “love the sinner, hate the sin”? A Christian _could_ believe that, not _would_. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081/58 "2009-09-25T01:36:57Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > A Christian _could_ believe that, not _would_. Should. It’s the philosophy of Christ. _Would_ if his beliefs aligned with Christian doctrine. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081/59 "2009-09-25T02:43:29Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Have you not heard “love the sinner, hate the sin”? Yeah, I’ve heard that one before. Nine times out of ten, it’s in the context of someone justifying treating us like shit. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081/60 "2009-09-25T03:22:05Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Yeah, I’ve heard that one before. Nine times out of ten, it’s in the context of someone justifying treating us like shit. Or what you view as treating you like shit. But let’s not get into this again. I don’t have the time. Yes, there are people out there that call themselves Christians who do not follow the teachings off Christ. Some of these people are trying, some of them are just full of shit. But the fact remains that Christianity does not allow for hatred of fags, or anyone else they might view as wayward. (I think you might recall I practice no religion, so this is just a philosophical discussion for me. I know it is different for you.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-lesbian-supports-anti-gay-bigot/511081.md?page=4)