# Famous people who are considered unattractive but you think are HOT **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 24, 2006, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781 "2006-03-24T21:05:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![pinkfreud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pinkfreud/32/17603_2.png) [@pinkfreud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pinkfreud)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2006, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781/41 "2006-03-25T04:07:29Z")
> [@Archergal](#): > > He’s an ugly man even when he’s not in monster make-up, but I have to confess I find [Ron Perlman](http://www.enzogiobbe.com/celebs/Ron_Perlman2.jpg) strangely compelling. Oooooh, yes. I met Ron Perlman briefly at a science fiction convention, and he is a definite hottie. Even when he isn’t “Hellboy.” ---
**Author:** ![thirdname](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@thirdname](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdname)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2006, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781/42 "2006-03-25T04:13:02Z")
I wonder how Bjork is generally regarded. ---
**Author:** ![pokey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ebca7d/32.png) [@pokey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pokey)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2006, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781/43 "2006-03-25T04:36:56Z")
> [@mrunlucky](#): > > I also have a crush on Ron Livingston, though I suspect many just consider him bland or average. I think he’s supposed to be hot, like the perfect boyfriend-type. He’s hot to me! I’m not sure if Fred Armisen is supposed to be attractive or not, but I think he’s hot. ---
**Author:** ![zoogirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b9bd4f/32.png) [@zoogirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoogirl)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2006, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781/44 "2006-03-25T04:37:32Z")
Alice Cooper What? ---
**Author:** ![Large\_Marge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/50afbb/32.png) [@Large\_Marge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Large_Marge)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2006, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781/45 "2006-03-25T04:49:23Z")
Jon Favreau (God, I love sarcasm) Ray Liotta (intense, with those gorgeous blue eyes) Willem Defoe (smart, sexy) Roy Scheider (pre-surgery) [Giovanni Ribisi](http://imdb.com/gallery/granitz/2532/GiovanniRi_Cohen_3217533_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Ribisi,%20Giovanni&seq=2) (a damn fine actor, too) Vin Diesel (I have no excuse) Michael Palin (adorable, funny) Alan Cumming (so freakin’ sexy) [Billy Connolly](http://imdb.com/gallery/granitz/2652/Events/2652/BillyConno_Ausse_4036284_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Connolly,%20Billy) (outrageous, hilarious) [Jason Lee](http://imdb.com/gallery/ss/0317705/Ss/0317705/TI-009.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Lee,%20Jason%20(I)) (kinda dorky, but cute in an awkward kind of way) James Gandolfini (bad boy) ---
**Author:** ![mamboman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecb155/32.png) [@mamboman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mamboman)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2006, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781/46 "2006-03-25T04:52:27Z")
Laura Dern! mm ---
**Author:** ![Available\_Jones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@Available\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Available_Jones)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2006, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781/47 "2006-03-25T05:02:43Z")
I think Shirley Manson, singer for the band Garbage, is generally not considered classically attractive. But I think she’s smokin’, especially her velvety voice. ---
**Author:** ![delphica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9a140/32.png) [@delphica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/delphica)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2006, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781/48 "2006-03-25T05:15:29Z")
Gary Busey. Oddly enough, his picture on the IMDB looks solidly attractive. I find him hotter when he looks more like the guy who’s been drunk for two days and can’t dress himself. ---
**Author:** ![MamaHen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c89c15/32.png) [@MamaHen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MamaHen)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2006, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781/49 "2006-03-25T13:32:37Z")
Eugene Levy. ---
**Author:** ![Kitchen\_Wench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f08c70/32.png) [@Kitchen\_Wench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kitchen_Wench)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2006, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781/50 "2006-03-25T14:41:03Z")
I’ll agree with Christopher Walken, James Gandolfini (oh yeah!), and John Goodman. And I’ll add… Ben Stein. I’ve often wondered what sex would be like with him. It would either be very clinical and methodical or wildly passionate. Oh wait! Dr. Drew!!! I LOVE Dr. Drew. You just _know_ his wife wears a smile 24/7. Why yes! I love smart, nerdy guys. ---
**Author:** ![norinew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/eb9ed0/32.png) [@norinew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/norinew)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2006, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781/51 "2006-03-25T14:58:50Z")
> [@ddgryphon](#): > > Qualifying my statement. I can’t think of any outright ugly or unattractive people in show business. These are the ones who were looked over – closest I could come. At the risk of hijacking this thread, I think this may be true of women in show biz, but not so much for men. Women in Hollywood who are supposed to be “unattractive” would still be the most beautiful woman in any given room out in the “real world”. But men, well, Benicio del Torro and Steve Buscemi, imho, would both be considered “unattractive” by just about any standards (even though a lot of women find them hot). ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2006, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781/52 "2006-03-25T15:02:28Z")
Bruce Willis (particularly Bald Bruce Willis) and especially David Ducovey, who is much better looking put together than he should be, considering his individual features are nothing special. ---
**Author:** ![ddgryphon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8c91f0/32.png) [@ddgryphon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ddgryphon)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2006, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781/53 "2006-03-25T15:33:20Z")
> [@norinew](#): > > At the risk of hijacking this thread, I think this may be true of women in show biz, but not so much for men. Women in Hollywood who are supposed to be “unattractive” would still be the most beautiful woman in any given room out in the “real world”. But men, well, Benicio del Torro and Steve Buscemi, imho, would both be considered “unattractive” by just about any standards (even though a lot of women find them hot). I agree, you are probably right in this. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2006, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781/54 "2006-03-25T23:04:33Z")
> [@Troy McClure SF](#): > > Sara Gilbert as Darlene Connor > Christina Ricci as Wednesday Addams > Natasha Lyonne Sure you want to admit to that middle one? 😛 She was kind of … young. For my ownself, I’ll admit that when I saw CR in the Addams family movies, I thought she’d probably GROW UP to be hot–but she was way too young to be hot back then. ---
**Author:** ![Rachael\_Rage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71c47a/32.png) [@Rachael\_Rage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachael_Rage)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2006, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781/55 "2006-03-25T23:46:25Z")
The whole problem with this thread is not that there are few unattractive people (particularly women) in show business, which is true, but that there are enough individual tastes and preferences in what people consider “attractive” that the question is rendered pretty much meaningless. There’s basically no way for this thread not to be offensive to someone, but to try to stay true to the intent of the OP, it is important to choose someone who really breaks all the ‘standard’ rules of Hollywood attractiveness. If I may go out on a limb, I’ll try to identify some of the criteria & give examples that some of you have listed already: - Wrinkly and/or saggy face (ie. Benicio Del Toro - who I agree is Hottie McHotstuff) - Bad Teeth (ie. Elliott Yamin, Steve Buscemi) - Bad Skin (ie. Edward James Olmos, Ray Liotta - barely, his hotness pretty much overcomes that…) - Much Fatter/Thinner than average (ie. John Goodman, DJ Qualls, James Gandolfini, Roseanne Barr - in her earlier days. She’s not much bigger than average now.) - Elderly - like over 70 (not over 40). Say, someone gets a boner over Rue McLananahan or Doris Roberts, for example… - A “character” face more than a classically beautiful one - this one is tough to identify and will vary a lot depending on people’s own tastes, but I’d put Ron Perlman, Sarah Gilbert (barely), Gary Busey, Eugene Levy, Christopher Walken, Laura Dern (I’d also add Camryn Manneheim and S. Epatha Merkerson) in this category. Who _doesn’t_ count would be someone that a person might not consider their type, but overall fits the prevailing standard of beauty. Therefore, these people _don’t_ count: Christina Ricci Patricia Heaton Penelope Cruz Shirley Manson from Garbage Dr. Drew Natasha Lyonne I welcome dissenting opinions. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Rachael\_Rage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71c47a/32.png) [@Rachael\_Rage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachael_Rage)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2006, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781/56 "2006-03-25T23:58:53Z")
I’d like to add Scottish actor Tommy Flanagan, who had key roles in Braveheart and Gladiator, and bunches of other movies. He’s quite recognizeable due to a large scar on his face (criteria #6), and is just…so…_yummy_. ---
**Author:** ![Rachael\_Rage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71c47a/32.png) [@Rachael\_Rage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachael_Rage)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781/57 "2006-03-26T00:03:54Z")
I’d like to add Scottish actor Tommy Flanagan, who had key roles in Braveheart and Gladiator, and bunches of other movies. He’s quite recognizeable due to a large scar on his face (criteria #6), and is just…so…_yummy_. ---
**Author:** ![Rachael\_Rage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71c47a/32.png) [@Rachael\_Rage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachael_Rage)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781/58 "2006-03-26T00:09:37Z")
Yoink! Could a mod please delete the duplicate post? And to clarify one thing (then I’ll shut up, promise): > [@vaderspal](#): > > …to try to stay true to the intent of the OP, it is important to choose someone **who really breaks all the ‘standard’ rules** of Hollywood attractiveness. Let’s change that to “_who breaks at least one of the ‘standard’ rules_…” After two of these: :smack: :smack: , it’s time to go do something else now. ---
**Author:** ![thirdname](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@thirdname](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdname)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781/59 "2006-03-26T00:21:44Z")
re Ricci: > [@Fabulous Creature](#): > > Sure you want to admit to that middle one? 😛 > She was kind of … young. For my ownself, I’ll admit that when I saw CR in the Addams family movies, I thought she’d probably GROW UP to be hot–but she was way too young to be hot back then. Some of us were rather young ourselves at the time. She was “hot.” ---
**Author:** ![kaiwik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaiwik/32/3978_2.png) [@kaiwik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaiwik)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781/60 "2006-03-26T07:13:25Z")
I agree with John Goodman and Christopher Walken, and add Billy Bob Thorton. Yum! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/famous-people-who-are-considered-unattractive-but-you-think-are-hot/349781.md?page=4)