# Fan or not, talk about what you hated in any version of Star Trek \[spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 9, 2005, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fan-or-not-talk-about-what-you-hated-in-any-version-of-star-trek-spoilers/303125 "2005-05-09T22:06:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fan-or-not-talk-about-what-you-hated-in-any-version-of-star-trek-spoilers/303125/101 "2005-05-12T20:17:23Z")
…If memory serves (and often it doesn’t), the Marquis were mad because the Federation abandoned the people of those planets to Cardassian rule rather than try to help them emigrate into Federation territory. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fan-or-not-talk-about-what-you-hated-in-any-version-of-star-trek-spoilers/303125/102 "2005-05-12T20:17:31Z")
> [@bump](#): > > I’d have much preferred if the Trek series had focused more on the crew’s reactions to the situations and the stress it puts them under. Agreed – on TNG and Voyager, _nobody_ ever suffered from stress. If any of the crew members started getting angry or paranoid, it was because subspace was distorting their brainwave patterns or their minds had been taken over by aliens. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fan-or-not-talk-about-what-you-hated-in-any-version-of-star-trek-spoilers/303125/103 "2005-05-12T20:23:13Z")
One thing that gets me about the whole series (especially TNG and beyond) is that whole “we’ve progressed so far that we no longer use money or have greed” schtick. Using the Ferengi to make fun of capitalism, and all that. Pretty stupid, if you ask me. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fan-or-not-talk-about-what-you-hated-in-any-version-of-star-trek-spoilers/303125/104 "2005-05-12T20:40:51Z")
> [@Petey](#): > > DS9: The Marquis > > Why did half of Star Fleet defect? I guess we were supposed to sympathize with them and think they were fighting a noble cause. > What was their cause anyway? That the Federation gave up territory to the Cardasians? It wasn’t half of Star Fleet but there were a lot who at least sympathized with the Marquis. From what I remember Star Fleet and the Cardassians redrew their borders to create a demilitarized zone and certain worlds came under the control of the Federation. I think some worlds under control of the Cardassians were suppose to become Federation worlds. Understandably those living on the former Federation planets were plenty pissed that Star Fleet sold them out. Feeling betrayed many of them decided to stay and fight anyone, Cardassian or Federation, who attempted to force them from their homes. Some Federation officers ended up joining the Marquis and others were just sympathetic to their plight. The lamest treaty episode was TNG with the Native American planet. Marc ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fan-or-not-talk-about-what-you-hated-in-any-version-of-star-trek-spoilers/303125/105 "2005-05-12T21:15:27Z")
> [@Waenara](#): > > _Threshold_ made my brain hurt just watching it, and it was completely stupid and ignored basic biological facts (i.e. "de-evolving (devolving?) into “lower” life forms - as if your current body “remembers” what creature it evolved from hundreds of millions of years ago). BUT, at least they tried to “explain” it with hand-waving about breaking Warp 10. It was still a stupid-ass show, but at least the writers tried somewhat. Actually, you’ve got this backwards. According to the show, the Warp 10 caused Paris to Hyper-evolve, thus turning them into Amphibians. No, it doesn’t make much sense, probably even less then “de-evolving”. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fan-or-not-talk-about-what-you-hated-in-any-version-of-star-trek-spoilers/303125/106 "2005-05-12T21:19:12Z")
And, as has been pointed out (I think), the Doc had a cure for the condition. So, they could have all done the Warp 10 nasty, get a hypospray, and sleep at home that night. Did the writers not see that? Or did they think we wouldn’t? ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fan-or-not-talk-about-what-you-hated-in-any-version-of-star-trek-spoilers/303125/107 "2005-05-12T21:24:01Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > And, as has been pointed out (I think), the Doc had a cure for the condition. So, they could have all done the Warp 10 nasty, get a hypospray, and sleep at home that night. > > Did the writers not see that? Or did they think we wouldn’t? Apparently, there’s a lot of stuff we’re not supposed to notice. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2005, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fan-or-not-talk-about-what-you-hated-in-any-version-of-star-trek-spoilers/303125/108 "2005-05-13T19:42:37Z")
> [@Nonsuch](#): > > **Enterprise** > The theme song. Am I really the first to mention this? Thank you. Allow me to be the second. From the first episode, that vile song succeeded in turning me off to the whole series. Not that there weren’t other reasons to be turned off. But at least they didn’t have Wesley Crusher. Blech. ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fan-or-not-talk-about-what-you-hated-in-any-version-of-star-trek-spoilers/303125/109 "2005-05-19T14:59:40Z")
One of the things I hated in TNG was how Troi and the Doctor somehow became qualified to run the ship during battle or in time of crisis. Are you kidding me? A social worker commanding the Flagship in battle? That’d be like Warf saying “I’m almost done with my brain surgery correspondence course, I’ll be in the OR if you need me.” ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fan-or-not-talk-about-what-you-hated-in-any-version-of-star-trek-spoilers/303125/110 "2005-05-19T15:51:13Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > One of the things I hated in TNG was how Troi and the Doctor somehow became qualified to run the ship during battle or in time of crisis. Are you kidding me? A social worker commanding the Flagship in battle? That’d be like Warf saying “I’m almost done with my brain surgery correspondence course, I’ll be in the OR if you need me.” Or even worse when Crusher was made into an acting Ensign and put in charge of other people. I’d sure as hell resent some snot nosed little brat being my immediate superior when he didn’t even graduate from the academy. Or in Voyager when they did that Year of Hell thing and Neelix became head of security. Most be a lot of pissed off Star Fleet officers who were next in line for promotion. Marc ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fan-or-not-talk-about-what-you-hated-in-any-version-of-star-trek-spoilers/303125/111 "2005-05-19T16:17:16Z")
> [@Ranchoth](#): > > Did anyone else kind of puzzle over how there seems to be no new human cultural developments between the 20th and 24th centuries? I mean, I know you can’t expect the writers—especially a lot of _those_ writers—to create a 22nd century symphony to rival Beethoven just to use in the background in one episode, but it’d still pretty weird. (Maybe perfect utopias like the Federation just stifle artistic and cultural development, as an unfortunate side effect. :smack: ) I thought much the same thing, actually. In a leisure society like the Federation, where people basically no longer have to work to survive, the quality of bad amateur writing, art and music that would be produced staggers the imagination. Even Geordi becomes a novelist for Chrissakes, and he **admitted** he couldn’t write. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fan-or-not-talk-about-what-you-hated-in-any-version-of-star-trek-spoilers/303125/112 "2005-05-19T16:22:41Z")
Oh, and in defense of Counselor Troi — I can hardly believe I’m writing these words — Roddenberry’s original concept for TNG was that the Enterprise had evolved from a ship of rugged die-hard explorers into a full-fledged community in outer space, complete with families. Hence the need for a counselor, who did, in contrast to what some posters think, seem to keep pretty busy with ordinary conflicts and neuroses: Reg Barclay, the lady whose husband died, the occasional child suddenly orphaned following some horrible tragedy, etc. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fan-or-not-talk-about-what-you-hated-in-any-version-of-star-trek-spoilers/303125/113 "2005-05-19T20:41:06Z")
> [@Nonsuch](#): > > Oh, and in defense of Counselor Troi — I can hardly believe I’m writing these words — Roddenberry’s original concept for TNG was that the Enterprise had evolved from a ship of rugged die-hard explorers into a full-fledged community in outer space, complete with families. Hence the need for a counselor Yes, so give her an office next to sickbay, not a _Bridge chair!_ Troi might have had a purpose in the stories, but a spot on the Bridge was not it. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fan-or-not-talk-about-what-you-hated-in-any-version-of-star-trek-spoilers/303125/114 "2005-05-19T20:47:27Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > One thing that gets me about the whole series (especially TNG and beyond) is that whole “we’ve progressed so far that we no longer use money or have greed” schtick. Using the Ferengi to make fun of capitalism, and all that. Pretty stupid, if you ask me. Really? I never really watched any of the new Star tRek series,but this is realy stupid. Reminds me of a _Sliders_ episode where money was free, or something like that, yet people still took in exchange for goods and services. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fan-or-not-talk-about-what-you-hated-in-any-version-of-star-trek-spoilers/303125.md?page=5)