# Fanatical Michael Jackson supporters are stupid **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 1, 2005, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851 "2005-02-01T21:02:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851/21 "2005-02-01T22:01:42Z")
> [@The Devil's Grandmother](#): > > I read this [article about the trial at cnn.com](http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/02/01/michael.jackson.ap/index.html). It says they are still in jury selection. If Jackson is pleading guilty or no-contest why are they having jury selection? > > gobear, are you whooshin’ me? Nope, no whoosh, I firmly believe he’s guilty as charged. I also believe that OJ got away with murder due to the ignorance of the jury that couldn’t follow the DNA testimony and the incompetence of the prosecution team. MJ may well be acquitted, but given what we already know about the guy, ESPECIALLY the $20 million payoff and the admission that he sleeps with boys in his bed. Yes, I know about the presumption of innocence, but there’s also the idea of being able to see what 's right in front of you. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851/22 "2005-02-01T22:03:04Z")
Oops, that bit should read “but given what we already know about the guy, ESPECIALLY the $20 million payoff and the admission that he sleeps with boys in his bed, there’s not a chance in hell that he’s innocent of hanky panky with boys.” ---
**Author:** ![DMark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DMark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMark)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851/23 "2005-02-01T22:07:31Z")
Blacks must be hard to find in Las Vegas as on last night’s local news, they found a chubby white chick with walls of Michael Jackson posters in her house, blathering on and on about how Michael has been framed and will be found innocent of all charges. I will be amazed if this trial turns into a big racial divide. I think most people, black and white, consider Michael Jackson as close to an alien being as we are ever going to experience on earth…so maybe this will turn into a debate between those who wear tinfoil hats, and those who don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851/24 "2005-02-01T22:10:42Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > Oops, that bit should read “but given what we already know about the guy, ESPECIALLY the $20 million payoff and the admission that he sleeps with boys in his bed, there’s not a chance in hell that he’s innocent of hanky panky with boys.” There’s hanky-panky and there’s hanky-panky. He’s certainly guilty of _some_thing but exactly what is still unkown. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851/25 "2005-02-01T22:12:58Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > …the admission that he sleeps with boys in his bed :eek: What!?! :smack: Sorry, I had no idea. Carry on with the lynching of the rich weirdo. ---
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851/26 "2005-02-01T22:16:19Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > Let me clarify: black people who think the only reason Michael Jackson is on trial is because white people don’t like to see rich black people are stupid. Fucking morons in fact. I’ve heard about a dozen black people interviewed on radio about the trial and every one of them has espoused some variation on the theme that if MJ were poor and/or white he wouldn’t be being “persecuted.” More than one invoked OJ. > > Yeah, I remember that episode of South Park too. Who would have thought that there were people out there who actually believed it? Don’t these idiots think that, if White America were really so terrified of black people with money that Oprah would’ve been led away in shackles years ago? You’re basically an asshole aren’t you. I don’t know if you have been watching the trial coverage, but I see more white people out there with signs than black people. The idea that powerful black people are targeted by the gov’t, white people, etc. is not unfounded. I would supect that many of the people you heard saying this may be over 40. These people have the misfortune of remembering seeing black people targeted. You guys act like that shit has never happened. Sure it may be misapplied, as it may have been in the OJ case, but stop trying to pretend like these people pulled the shit out of their ass. ---
**Author:** ![UrbanChic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9dc877/32.png) [@UrbanChic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UrbanChic)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851/27 "2005-02-01T22:18:51Z")
And uppity. Don’t forget uppity! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851/28 "2005-02-01T22:26:50Z")
> [@The Devil's Grandmother](#): > > > [@gobear](#): > > > > …the admission that he sleeps with boys in his bed > > :eek: What!?! > :smack: Sorry, I had no idea. Carry on with the lynching of the rich weirdo. Literally, not the euphamism. That’s what he’s on trial for. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851/29 "2005-02-01T22:27:17Z")
> [@tripthicket](#): > > Holy Smeg… Yes? ---
**Author:** ![InvidiousCourgette](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@InvidiousCourgette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InvidiousCourgette)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851/30 "2005-02-01T22:35:13Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > Color me confused, too. What, exactly, is **LifeonWry** contesting? I imagine that he is suggesting that because a rich black man married a white woman and hung out with white people it does not follow that he is denying or ignoring his ethnicity. It just means that he married a white woman and hung out with people in his socio-economic bracket (possibly colleagues in his media work). None of which impacts on his widely perceived status as a wife murderer. ---
**Author:** ![LifeOnWry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/96bed5/32.png) [@LifeOnWry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LifeOnWry)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851/31 "2005-02-01T22:39:50Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Which part is the “theory”? That he married a white woman? No, that he did so in order to “strive to be white” (and that’s a quote from **Agrippina**.) Or, you know, that ANY person would marry or hang out with people of a different background because they themselves were striving to be of that background. What the fuck is “striving to be white” anyway? I know fighting ignorance takes a while, but surely we’ve beaten THIS bit of bullshit back already? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851/32 "2005-02-01T22:40:12Z")
> [@DeadlyAccurate](#): > > Seven girls from Norway… I thought this was an X-rated moving company. ---
**Author:** ![LifeOnWry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/96bed5/32.png) [@LifeOnWry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LifeOnWry)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851/33 "2005-02-01T22:41:09Z")
And once again, a quick reminder that LifeOnWry is a girl. ---
**Author:** ![InvidiousCourgette](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@InvidiousCourgette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InvidiousCourgette)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851/34 "2005-02-01T22:46:35Z")
> [@LifeOnWry](#): > > And once again, a quick reminder that LifeOnWry is a girl. Eek. Note to self: when in doubt remember to use non gender specific pronouns. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851/35 "2005-02-01T22:48:45Z")
I must confess a certain personal enjoyment of thread titles which appear inflammatory until you open the thread and discover the various caveats or alternative interpretations, but I’m just perverse like that. And I will be spending the next six to eight months desperately attempting to avoid MJ trial crap in the media. If I had my way there would be a ban on reporting anything about the trial until the verdict was announced. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851/36 "2005-02-01T22:49:52Z")
> [@LifeOnWry](#): > > No, that he did so in order to “strive to be white” (and that’s a quote from **Agrippina**.) Or, you know, that ANY person would marry or hang out with people of a different background because they themselves were striving to be of that background. What the fuck is “striving to be white” anyway? Oh trust me, it happens. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851/37 "2005-02-01T22:51:05Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > It’s pro forma, isn’t it? MJ is guilty, he just hasn’t been formally convicted for what it is painfully obvious he has been doing. This should be a slam dunk for the CA prosecutor’s office. Aw, bullshit. One thing is certain: Michael Jackson is an odd fellow. It’s far from clear that he’s a filthy paedophile. He’s used to conditions that few of us can relate to – and he has no practical governor on his behaviour. It is _just_ possible that he’s taken the whole Peter Pan “innocence and imagination” thing to heart much more than anyone else has ever had the ability or inclination to do. Weird, but not criminal. I’m not making my mind up until the trial’s over – but it’s far from a “slam dunk,” given the previous history of the accusing family’s multiple for-profit scams, some of which involved the boys in sickening ways. Collecting welfare while the boyfriend makes 80k p/a? No biggie. Organizing a fundraising drive for their sick kid and failing to mention that their insurance covered them 100%? Well, that’s pretty shady, but hey… Claiming J.C. Penny’s security guards beat them senseless and sexually abused the mom “for no reason,” asking $3 million in damages? Hang on, I’m going to be looking pretty closely at the testimony and cross-examination before taking them at their word. In short, folks on both sides of this drama seem a bit whiffy. I wouldn’t take _either_ side on faith. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851/38 "2005-02-01T22:57:00Z")
> [@Agrippina](#): > > What’s ironic about black people rabidly defending Simpson and Jackson is that both OJ Simpson and Michael Jackson strive to be white or be around “white culture”. Simpson, for instance, married a white woman and basically only hung around rich white people. _sigh_ :rolleyes: Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851/39 "2005-02-01T23:00:46Z")
> [@LifeOnWry](#): > > And once again, a quick reminder that LifeOnWry is a girl. **Cite?** 😃 …which is probably the only safe thing I can say in this thread, and besides, what **LOW** comes up with for an answer should be intriguing! ---
**Author:** ![pizzabrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@pizzabrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pizzabrat)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2005, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851/40 "2005-02-01T23:06:33Z")
> [@tripthicket](#): > > I’d seen your posts before, and didn’t think it could really mean what a literal interpretation would insist it means, but my gosh! Really? Can you point out some of his previous posts that would make a title like this surprising? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanatical-michael-jackson-supporters-are-stupid/287851.md?page=3)