# Fantasy Football early general discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 18, 2011, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951 "2011-06-18T17:54:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951/21 "2011-06-21T22:27:30Z")
Damn, does anyone know where I could find the stats for defensive Tackles for Loss and 3 & Outs from previous years? AFAICT, neither [espn.com](http://espn.com), [nfl.com](http://nfl.com), pro-football-reference, nor Yahoo has this information. It’s gonna be hard to know how to use these categories without this data. Worst comes to worst, I could maybe email Football Outsiders. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951/22 "2011-06-21T22:30:40Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Defensive Yards Allowed - Negative > Defensive Yards Allowed 0-99 > Defensive Yards Allowed 100-199 > Defensive Yards Allowed 200-299 > Defensive Yards Allowed 300-399 > Defensive Yards Allowed 400-499 > Defensive Yards Allowed 500+ Love this. I really want to see Defensive Yardage allowed included in the Dynasty League and possibly in the Big League. I’m not sold on big play offensive bonuses for the Dynasty League because everyone is playing as many studs as they can and it feels like piling on, but I do like it for the Big League, which could get interesting when a little guy has a big week. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > Oh, one more setting, there can be IR spots like bench spots now that can only be used for players on IR. I wouldn’t mind adding 2 of those to the dynasty league… no sense in punishing someone for having their guy randomly get injured, at least give them a chance to work around it. We HAVE to do this in the Dynasty League. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951/23 "2011-06-21T23:08:53Z")
I’ve been slowly building up the motivation the past couple weeks to create this year’s keeper league. It’ll be coming soon. Also, count me in on any league I was a part of last year. ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951/24 "2011-06-22T00:14:11Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Who’s we? The sdmb has had an auction league for 5 years now, and the big league will be going on its second year of auction drafts. Our dynasty league is in year 3. Also, what difference does it make to you that they exist? Why would anyone hope they never happen? Bizarre. I couldn’t give a fuck less what SDMB does. I was referring to a league that I participate in. Again, I don’t give a flying fuck if dynasty or auction leagues exist. I don’t give a flying fuck if you have a circle jerk to determine who has first pick. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951/25 "2011-06-22T00:21:04Z")
Your input in this thread has been valuable. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951/26 "2011-06-22T00:23:47Z")
> [@Laggard](#): > > I couldn’t give a fuck less what SDMB does. I was referring to a league that I participate in. > > Again, I don’t give a flying fuck if dynasty or auction leagues exist. I don’t give a flying fuck if you have a circle jerk to determine who has first pick. Hmm…well…ok, I suppose the thread title implies the thread is open to discussion of any fantasy football, but I suspect that the OP intended this to be mostly discussion of SDMB leagues. ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951/27 "2011-06-22T00:28:33Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Hmm…well…ok, I suppose the thread title implies the thread is open to discussion of any fantasy football, but I suspect that the OP intended this to be mostly discussion of SDMB leagues. Wasn’t clear to me. Thanks for understanding. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951/28 "2011-06-22T00:31:21Z")
Discussing any fantasy football (“Should Arian Foster go #1 overall? What do you think the pick 6 penalty should be?”) is fine. Or discussing your other leagues is fine. But if you come in saying “we”, the default assumption is that you’re talking about SDMB FF leagues, so it’s weird to go flying off the handle over a reasonable assumption/clarification. ---
**Author:** ![Stringer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Stringer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringer)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951/29 "2011-06-22T01:18:41Z")
I’m not crazy at all about changing team defense scoring in the dynasty league. My defenses suck enough already and it’s not like I can improve through the draft like other positions. I think everyone will agree a couple IR slots would be awesome. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951/30 "2011-06-22T02:22:02Z")
I’m a bit divided on the new offensive scoring and how much it might reward 4th quarter garbage time drives by a team trailing badly at the end of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951/31 "2011-06-22T03:15:09Z")
I like the Dynasty league the way it is. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951/32 "2011-06-22T03:28:05Z")
I think we should play the dynasty league by the intent of the owner and therefore I should be able to trade in Steve Slaton and get Arian Foster. ---
**Author:** ![stevenreed034](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@stevenreed034](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stevenreed034)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951/33 "2011-06-22T06:47:15Z")
I have seen most of school going students are one of the great fan of sports games like NFS, FIFA and EA Cricket. We can’t blamed. Because now days Game companies are providing an interactive games for kids. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951/34 "2011-06-22T15:26:02Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Actually, the auction league ran 10 handed last year due to late cancellations, so I will be recruiting 2 people to get it back up to 12, so you can contact me about that now. I’d prefer people who have a history of being reliable in other SDMB leagues, but I’ll consider everyone. It is absolutely essential that you attend an auction draft though, even moreso than a snake draft, so if you intend to sign up make sure that you can make the draft. My 4th league folded, so I’d like in. I think, especially in the Big League, that I’ve proven I’m in for the duration. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951/35 "2011-06-23T03:20:06Z")
> [@Laggard](#): > > I couldn’t give a… **Moderator Note:** Derailing threads is not permitted in the Game Room, as specifically noted in the Forum Rules and FAQ. By the time you posted this the purpose of the thread was crystal clear, irrespective of the generic title. Please do not do this again. If you have nothing to add, that’s how much you should add. I would further add that the tone of this particular post was vastly more confrontational than is preferred in the Game Room. There is no specific rule here regarding profanity but we don’t want to start flame wars. Thanks for your attention. No formal warning issued. RickJay Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951/36 "2011-06-23T03:25:54Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > Damn, does anyone know where I could find the stats for defensive Tackles for Loss and 3 & Outs from previous years? AFAICT, neither [espn.com](http://espn.com), [nfl.com](http://nfl.com), pro-football-reference, nor Yahoo has this information. It’s gonna be hard to know how to use these categories without this data. I apologize if I’m misunderstanding what you need to see, but what I always do with new settings and things in a Yahoo league is just to set the league to include all those stats, then go into the stat section of the league page. The 2010 stats in the new categories will then be part of the sortable stats. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951/37 "2011-06-23T13:45:01Z")
Yeah, but since it’s a dynasty league that’s kind of something we need to know _beforehand_ - since most of us will need to know what our defenses will be worth before deciding whether we want to change the rules. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951/38 "2011-06-23T14:03:57Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Yeah, but since it’s a dynasty league that’s kind of something we need to know _beforehand_ - since most of us will need to know what our defenses will be worth before deciding whether we want to change the rules. You don’t need to know it beforehand. You set the league up with all of those stats so that they appear on the Player List, and then your league can debate and discuss, and then adjust as necessary before the draft. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951/39 "2011-06-23T15:14:48Z")
Adjust what? The defenses are already on our rosters. Do you mean change the league rules and then change them back after seeing the stats? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951/40 "2011-06-23T15:37:28Z")
It’s what I meant. I tried it with a new league I created for that purpose, though, and it turns out that the new categories are all zeroes. I guess whoever tracks stats for them is just going to start tracking those numbers for the first time next year. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-early-general-discussion/585951.md?page=3)