# Fantasy football general discussion 2010 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 4, 2010, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874 "2010-06-04T02:44:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2010, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874/161 "2010-12-02T20:20:08Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I like that the only way to score a fantasy shutout is to pitch and actual, honest-to-god shutout. I mostly agree, although I guess it’s still theoretically possible to have a fantasy shutout without the game being a shutout. There could really be a missed extra point after a defensive TD, or a game with only a safety. Pretty rare, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2010, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874/162 "2010-12-02T20:26:54Z")
Good point. Another possibility is a pick-six in overtime to win 6-0, where both teams get credit for fantasy shutouts. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2010, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874/163 "2010-12-02T21:00:16Z")
So both my SDMB league teams have their heads in the toilet while the rest of the leagues call them names and flush repeatedly… but my money league team of no-names and no-hopers (Kyle Orton, LeGarrette Blount, Danny Almendola, Marcedes Lewis) is the second highest scoring in my money league. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874/164 "2010-12-03T03:32:36Z")
In a 12 team PPR league where we keep 3, should I pick up Deangelo Williams from the waiver wire as a potential keeper for next year? We must keep 3 so I was going to keep one QB, one RB, and one WR. I think it is a decent gamble to see where Williams ends up next year. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874/165 "2010-12-03T14:10:09Z")
Who’s on your team now? ---
**Author:** ![soulmurk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@soulmurk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soulmurk)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874/166 "2010-12-03T14:16:38Z")
Just to put the issue to bed, I received a response from ESPN customer service: > [@](#): > > ESPN uses the NFL’s scoring model for D/ST fantasy scoring. If your offense has a turnover resulting in a score by the opponent’s defense, your defense will be negatively impacted. > > It’s standard procedure that ANY points scored against your selected D/ST team will affect their point total. It’s not necessarily how many points were scored against the actual defense of the team. It’s how many total points were scored against the team. > > For example, last year the New York Jets had the #1 defensive ranking for points against with 236 points, an average of 14.8 points against per game. However, not all of these points were scored against their defense. Just as an example, Jets QB Mark Sanchez threw an interception that was returned for a touchdown by Darren Sharper in their week 4 matchup against the New Orleans Saints. This turnover by the Jets offense went against the Jets defensive ranking of points against. I’m not really sure why they included an example, as the answer was pretty clearly explained (even if it is silly reasoning) in the first two paragraphs, or had to add the irrelevant stats for the Jets, except that maybe the responder is a Jets fan… but here we are. Might seem a silly reaction over a minor quibble that didn’t even change anything in my league, but I’ll be using Yahoo! next year. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2010, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874/167 "2010-12-03T14:21:52Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > In a 12 team PPR league where we keep 3, should I pick up Deangelo Williams from the waiver wire as a potential keeper for next year? We must keep 3 so I was going to keep one QB, one RB, and one WR. I think it is a decent gamble to see where Williams ends up next year. I wouldn’t call it a gamble. Williams is a stud, and he’ll be a stud wherever he goes. He’d certainly fit in well in Green Bay, especially with Grant coming off a serious knee injury. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874/168 "2010-12-07T12:26:44Z")
Yahoo standard scoring, I’ve got Sam Bradford and Ben Roethlisberger as QBs. I’m thinking of starting Ben, but I want to grab another QB from waivers today in case Ben’s injuries act up. On waivers are Favre, Henne, Campbell, Collins and Stanton. I can’t say I really want to go with any of them for a playoff game. If Pittsburgh gets off to a good start against Cincy, is he going to get pulled early? Bradford on the road at New Orleans doesn’t sound like a good idea. I can’t trust Favre, Henne is at the Jets, Campbell is going across the country to play the Jags, Collins wasn’t that impressive last week, although he’s against the Colts at home. ---
**Author:** ![FrancisCastle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b4bc9f/32.png) [@FrancisCastle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrancisCastle)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2010, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874/169 "2010-12-10T04:39:47Z")
I can’t decide who to start this week, so I’m looking for some opinions. 🙂 It’s a Yahoo league and I have way too many RB’s to choose from. Right now I have McCoy and Tolbert starting and Mike Goodson, Ryan Mathews and Chris Ivory on the bench. I just picked up Ivory because he’s been looking good the past few weeks. I couldn’t decide which QB to start either, but I’m glad I stuck with Manning after tonight’s performance! ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2010, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874/170 "2010-12-13T00:46:39Z")
I think I’m looking to have my worst week in all 4 of my leagues this year today. What the hell? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2010, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874/171 "2010-12-13T02:46:11Z")
I hate fantasy football. Someone link me to this post next year when I’m deciding whether to join more leagues. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2010, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874/172 "2010-12-13T14:14:51Z")
At least you don’t have to suffer the indignity of losing to me in the championship game this year. The FF gods just came out front and told you you’re not winning up front. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2010, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874/173 "2010-12-16T21:52:53Z")
The Vikings QB for this week looks to be Joe Webb, and at least at Yahoo he’s listed as a QB/WR. I might start him as a WR for a bit of a laugh, as I got knocked into the consolation bracket last week. Not that he looks like he’ll do much, as a rookie QB on the Vikes against the Chicago D in the snow, but still :D. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874/174 "2010-12-17T01:56:22Z")
Alright - pride is on the line here. After ripping off eight in a row to start the season 8-0, I lost 3 in a row, then picked it up to end the season at 10-3. Our playoffs are two weeks for each round, I’m down by 7 going into week 2. I need one flex player from the following: Adrian Peterson Rashard Mendenhall Tim Hightower Scoring is non-PPR standard. Peterson has a no-name 3rd string QB handing him the ball. Mendenhall has seen decreasing production each week, and Hightower is emerging on a team that has zero fantasy upside it seems. I’m actually leaning towards Hightower against Carolina. Thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![vandal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/858c86/32.png) [@vandal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vandal)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874/175 "2010-12-18T06:05:09Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Adrian Peterson > Rashard Mendenhall > Tim Hightower I’d go with Hightower for the exact reasons you state. I’m starting him myself this week. Beanie Wells seems to be lost and Carolina’s run defense is putrid. I’m hoping that means good things for Hightower. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874/176 "2010-12-18T20:07:53Z")
> [@borschevsky](#): > > The Vikings QB for this week looks to be Joe Webb, and at least at Yahoo he’s listed as a QB/WR. I might start him as a WR for a bit of a laugh, as I got knocked into the consolation bracket last week. Not that he looks like he’ll do much, as a rookie QB on the Vikes against the Chicago D in the snow, but still :D. Yeah, I’m considering doing this as well. My league counts passing TDs as 6, so having two QBs feels like bringing a gun to a knife fight. Am I crazy for benching Mike Williams (TB) and starting Webb in his spot? I’m the #1 seed, so I’m playing for more than laughs. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874/177 "2010-12-18T20:12:45Z")
I personally think it’s incredibly cheesy to exploit an ambiguous position listing to start a player at a position that he’s clearly not playing. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874/178 "2010-12-18T22:25:02Z")
In a 2 QB league, start Tebow or Grossman as the 2nd QB? Only playing for middle of the pack consolation round in a 16 team league. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874/179 "2010-12-19T13:42:06Z")
I’d start Tebow I think. Probably a rushing TD, what the hell. Close call though. Rex is boom or bust. Actually, I really don’t know. I’d have to think long and hard about that one. So in a league where I have Andre Johnson/Calvin Johnson/Dwayne Bowe and Terrel Owens, I was going to sit Owens. Figured his outburst means he’ll be out of the game plan, Cleveland has been good vs receivers lately… But he seems to be highly rated in projection lists. I guess people are predicting Palmer will rally around him and he’ll still be as productive as ever? Would you start him over Bowe (possibly without Cassel) or Johnson with Stanton throwing to him? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874/180 "2010-12-19T14:39:33Z")
Would I be crazy to start Tim Hightower (against Carolina, giving up 64% more to RBs than average) vs Adrian Peterson (against Chicago, giving up 38% less to RBs than average) with Hutchinson out and no QB? I guess the QB thing is a wash, since AZ won’t have one either. Peterson had like 26 yards last week, Hightower is getting 75% of the carries and had 148/2. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion-2010/541874.md?page=10)