# Fantasy football general discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 23, 2009, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955 "2009-07-23T02:54:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2009, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/181 "2009-08-26T21:34:11Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > In Week 7 he had all of two catches. The fact that they both went for 50+ yard touchdowns has much less to do with who his quarterback was and much more to do with the corner covering him being unable to make a tackle. I think 2 catches, 154 yards, 2 tds is objectively a better game than 9 catches, 110 yards, and 1 td. I was simply pointing out that Megatron was having a fine season even before Culpepper arrived on the scene, and that “Johnson posted his best numbers in Culpepper’s five off-the-street starts last season” is demonstratively false. > [@RNATB](#): > > Culpepper’s certainly not the ideal mentor, but he’s a 3-time Pro Bowler with a 64% career completion percentage and a passer rating a hair under 90 (despite having played in Oakland)- and though he could always run, he’s a good pocket passer. Had Culpepper and Stafford been the QBs anytime before 2005, certainly Stafford could learn from Culpepper. “Throw it long to Randy Moss” would be lesson number one, and likely the best he’d get. But we’re talking about the 2009 season, not the 2005 season. Maybe Culpepper has a great amount of wisdom to pass on to Stafford and I’m just unaware of it. I just think that Stafford’s going to start sooner rather than later, and that if Culpepper was a better player to learn the position from, Stafford may start later rather than sooner. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/182 "2009-08-27T00:06:46Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > I think 2 catches, 154 yards, 2 tds is objectively a better game than 9 catches, 110 yards, and 1 td. I would agree with you if those two catches came in the first quarter, and they ran the ball for the rest of the game. Unfortunately, they didn’t- Houston was up 14-0 at the end of the first quarter, and Detroit didn’t get close until the end of the 4th. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/183 "2009-08-27T22:11:15Z")
Ok, who would you hope for at Pick 4 in a 10-team snake draft? I’m assuming AP is off the board,and I figure to have the following to choose from: Turner, Forte, Drew, LT, D Williams. Anyone think someone else should be in that group? I’m kind of leaning towards Forte if he’s there. They all have questions, but Forte is the focus of the Bears’ offense, no? ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/184 "2009-08-27T22:18:52Z")
The draft for my money keeper league is Saturday. I’m picking 5th, since it’s a keeper league most of the top runners are being kept. We lose the draft pick 2 rounds before we drafted the player(s) (max 2) that we’re keeping and we can only keep them twice. At the moment, I can only speculate who’s being kept. I know Jones-Drew will be available as will LT and Jackson. I’m hoping one of them fall to me. As for wideouts I’m hoping for Boldin in the second round. Before he was injured last year, he was the top scoring WR in fantasy and I think he’s underrated due to having Fitz on the same team. Of course, if R. Moss is available, I’ll go for him first and hope Boldin’s available in the third. I’m keeping Chris Johnson and Cassel. I’m only keeping Cassel because I think he’s a decent backup and I get him for a 14th round pick. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/185 "2009-08-28T01:55:47Z")
I’m not particularly impressed by Forte, although if it’s a PPR league his value goes way up. He averaged less than 3.9 YPC last season, and really good backs don’t do that, even as rookies (with the curious exception of LaDanian Tomlinson). ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/186 "2009-08-28T01:59:25Z")
I wonder how many “big board” ranking type lists follow each other and don’t want to deviate too far from the norm. I found a rankings list from a seemingly very knowledgable writer who wasn’t afraid to deviate from the norm, and his top 30 or so have some big surprises. I wonder how much most lists looking the same is the result of not having the balls to deviate from the consensus and how much is accurate, independent prognostication. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/187 "2009-08-28T02:23:07Z")
I have a live draft on Saturday. Does anyone know a good site to find a template to keep track of the draft. In this case, it’s a 10 team, 18 player roster. I don’t want to spend the time to make one myself. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Stringer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Stringer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringer)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/188 "2009-08-28T02:27:43Z")
I think it depends on what you want to achieve with your Big Board. The problem is that everyone calls their list the Big Board without explaining exactly what their list _means_. If the idea is to rank the players on where you think they will finish in fantasy points, I think it is easy to stick certain guys (can’t tip my hand!) in the top 30. If the idea is to order it in the way you expect a standard scoring draft to progress, that is a different order. If the idea is to order it with a value-based ranking, that is also a different order. This is the most common list type I think, and why RBs are at the top of everyone’s list. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/189 "2009-08-28T02:33:18Z")
So I just noticed, in all my years of SDMB fantasy football (3 years of the all pro league, 2 years of the auction league) I’ve never missed the playoffs. 5 for 5. Incidentally, I also noticed that Ellis Dee has never been in the playoffs. Yeah I went there. ---
**Author:** ![Stringer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Stringer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringer)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/190 "2009-08-28T02:37:32Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Yeah I went there. Oh snap! ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/191 "2009-08-28T02:43:37Z")
Yeah, I don’t think I’ve ever been in the HHM league playoffs either. I’m…not good at FF. I did come in second out of 16 in the precursor to the All-Pro league. ([Prolate Spheroids](http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2005/288412)) That was before your time, though, young punk. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/192 "2009-08-28T03:24:57Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Yeah, I don’t think I’ve ever been in the HHM league playoffs either. I’m…not good at FF. Well you got a late start in life, and you spent a couple years just drafting Jets and Giants. I remember your first draft. When we were gathered in the draft room a few minutes before the first pick, you said you were a little confused because the player you wanted more than any other was ranked really low in a some fantasy rankings list you’d looked at. Then the draft started and, with the 10th overall pick, you selected [Chad Pennington](http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2004/16909/draftresults?drafttab=team). ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/193 "2009-08-28T04:37:41Z")
hehheh, nice memory. Started off strong outta the gate! I think I was talking about Shockey, but maybe one of the RBs. Probably Shockey. When the draft started I got dumped into a java upgrade, and with my dial-up connection it took 45 minutes before I could join the draft. In the meantime my totally laughable prerankings from weeks before kicked in. I hadn’t put them in any kind of order; I’d just moved all the NY players to the top willy-nilly. And even if I did try and order them, I was ignorant of the relative value of positions. As far as I knew, every position was equally valuable. For laughs, here was my draft that year: (2004) New York Fanboys 1. (10) Chad Pennington 2. (19) Santana Moss 3. (38) Curtis Martin 4. (47) Jeremy Shockey 5. (66) Amani Toomer 6. (75) Ron Dayne 7. (94) LaMont Jordan 8. (103) Anthony Becht 9. (122) Buffalo 10. (131) Jeff Garcia 11. (150) Antowain Smith 12. (159) Antonio Bryant 13. (178) John Hall 14. (187) Seattle 15. (206) J.P. Losman 16. (215) Todd Pinkston ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/194 "2009-08-28T17:05:05Z")
The Detroit Free Press ran a story about Barry Sanders. It said that he met Earl Campbell and was shocked how much damage he took playing football. it was then ,that he decided to retire. There are a lot of other examples of the damage pro football can exact on its players. But, Barry did not want to end up that way. I am at peace with that even though i renewed my seasons tickets because I loved watching him play. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2009, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/195 "2009-08-30T01:17:48Z")
My draft today had to be the strangest on record. It is (as I posted earlier) a keeper league, 14 teams. First pick? Randy Moss, then it got weird. The Tennesee defense was second pick in the draft, this guy always picks strangely, he picked Gates and Tony Gonzalez back to back in rounds 3 and 4 last year. I picked LT at 4, planning to go QB in the second. 7 quarterbacks went off the board between my first pick and my second. I said the hell with it and went WR with Jennings. I think I got a fairly decent team except for QB, I got Hasselbeck in the 8th with Cassel as backup. RB LT RB Chris Johnson (keeper) RB Kevin Smith RB McFadden RB L McCoy RB M Bell WR G Jennings WR B Edwards WR E Royal WR Crayton TE V Shin… Whatever Min TE K. S Graham I didn’t draft a Defense, I always end up playing merry-go-round defenses since there’s no charge for moves. I picked up the NO defense for week 1. TE ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2009, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/196 "2009-08-30T04:47:00Z")
The TE’s name is Visanthe Shiancoe. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2009, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/197 "2009-08-30T13:35:29Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > The TE’s name is Visanthe Shiancoe. Yeah, what he said. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2009, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/198 "2009-08-30T15:48:56Z")
6 running backs? Wow, that’s a lot even by my standards. How many wideouts do you start? ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2009, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/199 "2009-08-30T18:41:33Z")
Greg Jennings or Roddy White? Who do you like better and why? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2009, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/200 "2009-08-30T18:47:38Z")
All things being equal, I’d take White, because he’s shown he can produce with Chris Redman. There’s no guarantee that Jennings (or any other wideout) would produce if Rodgers got hurt. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955.md?page=11)