# Fantasy football general discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 23, 2009, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955 "2009-07-23T02:54:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/561 "2009-10-12T19:31:23Z")
> [@Taber](#): > > This is my starting team > > Joe Flacco > Donovan McNabb > Steve Smith(NYG) > Santonio Holmes > Larry Fitzgerald > Maurice Jones-Drew > Chris Johnson > Brent Celek > DeSean Jackson > Marion Barber > Nick Folk > Joe Nedney > Seattle > San Francisco > Antoine Winfield > Justin Tuck > London Fletcher > > This team lost to a guy who started 5 guys who were on bye weeks this week. (Yes, it is a crazy 6 person league with weird scoring) Again, no Matt Schobel… no chance. ---
**Author:** ![Kid\_A\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Kid\_A\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kid_A_1)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/562 "2009-10-13T17:55:01Z")
Help me make a deal…I talked about this team and the stubborn owner who refused to deal even though it made too much sense. QB: David Garrard, Mark Sanchez WR: Andre Johnson, Jerricho Cotchery, Santana Moss, Steve Smith (NYG), Wes Welker RB: Brian Westbrook, Donald Brown, Kevin Smith, Marion Barber TE: Antonio Gates, Brent Celek QB: Matt Schaub, Tom Brady WR: Brandon Marshall, Bernard Berrian, Donald Driver, Mike Sims-Walker RB: Chris Johnson, Fred Jackson, Pierre Thomas, Glen Coffee, Rashard Mendenhall, Steven Jackson TE: Dustin Keller I figure I can flip a QB/RB for a WR/TE. Do I trade Brady or Schaub? What about Brady and Mendenhall for Gates and Cotchery? I don’t know about Mendenhall’s and Cotchery’s values for the rest of the year. Is that too much? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/563 "2009-10-13T18:00:31Z")
Why would you want to deal a premier quarterback for a 2nd-tier wideout? Unless he’s willing to give up Johnson, you won’t be upgrading (expect Steve Smith’s numbers to take a big dip in the second half of the season; Eli’s always do). ---
**Author:** ![Kid\_A\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Kid\_A\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kid_A_1)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/564 "2009-10-13T18:09:31Z")
You’re right…He’s a stubborn bastard and he’s trying to wear me down. I don’t what it is about this league but it’s frustrating the hell out of me. What if I give up Brady and S. Jackson for Johnson and Gates? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/565 "2009-10-13T18:17:26Z")
I would hold onto Jackson if I were you. Only three of your backs are guaranteed-workload guys; Coffee will be worthless when Gore comes back, and Mendenhall will probably end up in a time-share in Pittsburgh. I’d offer Mendenhall, Coffee and Brady- although I don’t see much need for him to upgrade at RB. ---
**Author:** ![Taber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@Taber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taber)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/566 "2009-10-13T18:23:29Z")
I was offered Cotchery and Brandon Jacobs for LdT. That’s a pretty good deal for me, right? ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/567 "2009-10-13T18:30:22Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Huh? We knew the Colts backfield was going to be a mess this season. Hell - we knew this was going to be a mess ever since Edgerrin James left. The Colts have had a mixed backfield for several years running now. I thought it’d be a little more cut and dry and more along the lines of how Philly handled their backfield. ---
**Author:** ![Kid\_A\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Kid\_A\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kid_A_1)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/568 "2009-10-13T18:35:35Z")
> [@Taber](#): > > I was offered Cotchery and Brandon Jacobs for LdT. That’s a pretty good deal for me, right? I’d take Jacobs for LdT straight up…good deal. Like I said in my post, I’m unsure about Cotchery’s value for the rest of the year now the Edwards is there and Sanchez has had 4 straight games under 175 yards. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/569 "2009-10-13T18:55:41Z")
> [@Taber](#): > > I was offered Cotchery and Brandon Jacobs for LdT. That’s a pretty good deal for me, right? Jacobs gives you 80% of LDT’s potential, and has a much higher floor at this point. Cotchery is a borderline #2, and I happen to think Edwards is going to improve his production immensely; he’s been getting double teamed every week thus far because nobody else on the team is catching passes other than Keller. It’d be nice if he got in the endzone a bit more though. Make the deal. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/570 "2009-10-13T19:05:10Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > You’re right, and I wouldn’t be so irritated with one week if I wasn’t also 1 and 4 and in 12th place out of 12. Partly due to bad luck - my 5th round pick was out for 8 weeks a few minutes into the first quarter of the first game, my QB went down in the middle of week 2 after scoring 5 points, etc. > > You can infer from that that my team sucks - but just look at the roster - does that look like a bad 12 teamer roster to you? Let me repost what I said about that team before week 1. > [@This Guy Right Here](#): > > Overall: You’ve got pretty good starters at the core positions. Hasselbeck is the weak link for certain but a lot of FFLs have been won by simply getting by at QB in favor of studs at RB and WR. However that strategy requires you to be solid at every other position and flexible at QB. You will be giving away points at QB, TE, DEF and K all season long and the strength at RB and WR won’t be enough to help you every week. There is value left on the waiver wire so you’ll be able to repair it, but you wasted opportunities in the draft unless you can wheel and deal. > > Preseason Grade: B- I contend that you, and maybe Yahoo’s silly projected score metric, are the only ones that think your team is special in any way. I think your performance greatly validates my contention that your lust for RBs is patently insane in this league. …so says the guy who beat you this week to avoid the cellar and drive you into madness. Take solace in the fact that your humiliating loss to me in this league pales in comparison to **Ellis Dee** ’s loss to me in He Hate Me. The karma is balancing out in my embarrassing performance in my Money League I’m afraid. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/571 "2009-10-13T19:37:34Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I contend that you, and maybe Yahoo’s silly projected score metric, are the only ones that think your team is special in any way. I think your performance greatly validates my contention that your lust for RBs is patently insane in this league. Ok, let’s say that I had landed Trent Edwards, my target backup QB, in the draft. Here’s how my season goes: Hasselbeck goes down in week 2 (in an injury unrelated to previous injuries) after scoring 5 points. I replace him with Edwards who was having a solid 20 point average after the first time games. Edwards sucks in a game, but I don’t give up on him yet, so I start him in week 2 and he sucks again. Okay, Edwards sucks, so I dump him for the best quarterback available in week 5. Who’s that? David Garrard. Okay, start him. Oh wait, Jacksonville gets shut out for the first time in years. So in this scenario, I land my backup QB in the draft, and your criticism doesn’t happen - and the exact same thing happens to me. Nothing at all is changed. As far as my team being nothing special, yahoo’s big board I linked to says I have the 1st, 7th, 11th, 14th, 23rd, and 39th most valuable players. If we held the draft over again, that’s like having 3 picks in the first round (including first overall) and 2 picks in the second round. The [updated fftoolbox.com list](http://www.fftoolbox.com/football/2009/overall.cfm) gives me the 2nd, 15th, 23rd, 29th, 31st, and 37th most valuable players. If you could find a reasonable top 100 ranking type list I’m sure the team would rate highly on it. Also, I have no lust for RBs. I took whatever the most valuable player was at a given position for me. If you compare my results to the auction draft, I spent the least out of any team on my RBs, so it’s inaccurate to call my draft strategy RB-centric. It already paid off somewhat when my 5th round pick/second receiver went down after 5 minutes in the first game and I had Anquan Boldin to replace him due to trading my RB depth. > [@](#): > > …so says the guy who beat you this week to avoid the cellar and drive you into madness. Take solace in the fact that your humiliating loss to me in this league pales in comparison to **Ellis Dee** ’s loss to me in He Hate Me. The karma is balancing out in my embarrassing performance in my Money League I’m afraid. Yeah, I don’t think karma is supposed to work by having someone who got screwed randomly screw someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/572 "2009-10-14T16:41:37Z")
Did anyone have trouble trying to pick up a player off waivers this week? I tried to grab Jake Delhomme to fill a bye week QB slot and Yahoo kept giving me various errors and wouldn’t process the claim. Is it because I dropped Delhomme the week before? Is there some rule in Yahoo to prevent someone from picking up a player they dropped a few days earlier? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/573 "2009-10-14T16:53:08Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Also, I have no lust for RBs. I took whatever the most valuable player was at a given position for me. If you compare my results to the auction draft, I spent the least out of any team on my RBs, so it’s inaccurate to call my draft strategy RB-centric. It already paid off somewhat when my 5th round pick/second receiver went down after 5 minutes in the first game and I had Anquan Boldin to replace him due to trading my RB depth. I have to agree with this. If you check the HHM, auction and dynasty league threads you’ll see that nobody has the same lust for running backs I do, and **SB** probably isn’t even in second place (that’d be **Southern Yankee** ). ETA: What on earth are those FFT top 100 ranks based on? They’ve got DeAngelo Williams as the seventh most valuable player even though he’s not even in the 20 most productive backs this season. ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/574 "2009-10-14T17:27:19Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Is it because I dropped Delhomme the week before? Is there some rule in Yahoo to prevent someone from picking up a player they dropped a few days earlier? If you dropped a player, you can’t put a waiver claim on that player. Once he clears waivers, then you can pick him up. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/575 "2009-10-14T17:39:27Z")
> [@Jules\_Andre](#): > > If you dropped a player, you can’t put a waiver claim on that player. Once he clears waivers, then you can pick him up. Ah. Dammit! That’ll teach not to look ahead and find out _exactly_ when my QB has a bye week. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2009, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/576 "2009-10-14T19:12:10Z")
I’m 3-2 in my league with my two losses coming by 2 points and 4 points… my lowest point week was 103 points… Last week I decided not to start Hasselbeck to let him get a game under his belt before dropping Garrard for a quaterback who’ll actually start on week 7. Mistake… as was not starting Maclin for Philly who I picked up on a hunch after someone else dropped him. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2009, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/577 "2009-10-15T18:46:25Z")
I started a [week 6 sit or start thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11667031), so if you want some advice from the greatest football mind of our generation, feel free to ask there. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/578 "2009-10-20T19:15:55Z")
After having dealt with it, I think the free agent aqusition budget system for doing waivers is by far the best system there is, and I’m going to try to get all my leagues to do it next year. Also, auction drafting is by far superior to standard drafting IMO, especially with how smoothly and pleasantly we got the auction league draft to run this year. I hope yahoo implements it next year so I can try to sell all my leagues onto the idea. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/579 "2009-10-20T19:20:02Z")
Is there a term for scoring the second most points in a league but still losing your matchup to the top team? Happened the last two weeks for me, with losses of 123-121 and 144-135. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/580 "2009-10-20T19:26:39Z")
I call it _breakdowned_- [NFL.com](http://NFL.com) leagues offer a “breakdown” standings feature, which basically tells you who ought to be winning in your league based on how many teams they would have beaten in any given week. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955.md?page=30)