# Fantasy football general discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 23, 2009, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955 "2009-07-23T02:54:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/761 "2009-11-19T20:16:13Z")
I don’t think you’ll get a Fitzgerald or a Wayne for him. His actual value may be similar, but his perceived value is not. _looks up fantasy scoring by player_ Schaub is 5th at the position in leagues where TDs count for 6 points. That means he’s worth an Andre Johnson, and in a PPR league he’s worth more than Vincent Jackson. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/762 "2009-11-19T20:25:11Z")
Ray Rice, Joseph Addai, Donald Brown, Brandon Jacobs, Felix Jones, and Jason Snelling. I need to start two. I’m gravitating towards Jacobs and Rice. Halp? ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/763 "2009-11-19T20:26:24Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Schaub is 5th at the position in leagues where TDs count for 6 points. That means he’s worth an Andre Johnson, and in a PPR league he’s worth more than Vincent Jackson. Getting Andre would be perfect, because the fantasy points would be perfectly connected to each other (more or less). ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/764 "2009-11-19T20:27:24Z")
> [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#): > > Ray Rice, Joseph Addai, Donald Brown, Brandon Jacobs, Felix Jones, and Jason Snelling. I need to start two. > > I’m gravitating towards Jacobs and Rice. Halp? Yup. The only other one I’d consider would be Snelling, and Turner’s being a little bitch about letting on if he’s going to play or not. Even then, they all have the same ceiling this week. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/765 "2009-11-19T20:35:07Z")
Plus Snelling’s playing the Giants, which kind of limits his potential to 80/10/1, in my book. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/766 "2009-11-19T20:50:53Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Plus Snelling’s playing the Giants, which kind of limits his potential to 80/10/1, in my book. Maybe. Maybe not. The Giants haven’t been the paragons of amazing defense recently, though. Rice is a Must Start, and Jacobs has been incredibly disappointing this year so far. Apparently, they were making him run plays designed for Ward, which included starting and stopping and not North-south runs. apparently, the coaching staff caught this (about time) and he’s now running between the tackles and running downhill. I don’t know how much faith I put in that. That sounds like one of the multiple choice answers on a Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me quiz. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/767 "2009-11-19T21:05:45Z")
Unfortunately many of the top receivers are on teams with quality QBs, so Schaub doesn’t have much value to them. One guy has Brees, Wayne, & VJ. I’m probably looking at the level of Colston or Roddy White. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/768 "2009-11-20T18:40:43Z")
I started a [week 11](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11801244) fantasy advice thread if anyone wants to use it. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/769 "2009-11-20T18:45:47Z")
I’d be okay with Roddy White. He’s certainly an upgrade over what you’ve got, and he tends to produce regardless of his quarterback’s play. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/770 "2009-11-23T01:04:03Z")
Head to head leagues can be volatile as far as where people rank relative to their scoring. But usually, it tends to equal out by the end of the season. It’s rare that someone in the top scores has a losing record, or that someone with the lowest score makes the playoffs. But this year has been crazy for some of the SDMB leagues. In the all pro league, Kid\_A is right up there with the playoff teams in scoring, but is last in the league with a probably 3-8 record. Jammers could drop to 6-5 despite having the top score by a healthy margin and if his team tanks for 2 more weeks could potentially miss the playoffs. In the auction league, my record is 9-2, but I’m not too far ahead point wise than some 6-5 teams. In the big league, I am especially hosed. I have held the top score in a 20 man league for most of the entire season, and yet my record is soon to be 4-7, which is going to be me like the 14th seed. So… yeah, top out of 20 players, 8 people make the playoffs… and I may not even be close to making it. I’ve been several hundred points ahead of my division leader (until recently, he’s catching up) while being several games behind. And now I’m even falling out of the wild card race with a 4 game losing streak. So I’m probably going to finish top 3 in scoring and not make the playoffs. I have by far the most points scored against me. Two divsions are lead by guys who scored under 1000 points, and yet other people over 900 are 3 or 4 games behind them. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/771 "2009-11-23T01:14:18Z")
I also have all sorts of annoying conflict tonight. I have a close game in one league where Celek can beat me. But I need him in another league if I have a shot at a win. I also have Jay Cutler in one league playing against the Eagles defense which I need in two leagues. Hate when this stuff happens. In other news, the Saints running game is a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a kick in the balls. Last year I lost in the playoffs because I made the wrong decision on whether to use Reggie Bush or Pierre Thomas (and I tried to swap them at literally the last minute and got locked out - cost me a shot at the championship) and this year I’m invested in Pierre Thomas. Every time you start thinking he’s too unpredictable, he’ll put up a 20+ point game and make you recommit to him. Then you see stuff like today - Tampa Bay, NO is gonna run all over them, Reggie Bush is out of the picture, Mike Bell has barely gotten carries lately… and you think there’s no way he doesn’t have a big game. He did alright, but Mike Bell got as many yards and 2 TDs too. Grrr. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/772 "2009-11-23T01:28:39Z")
I pretty much wiped out in HHM against **furt** this week. Unless Schaub throw 5 touchdowns tomorrow I’ll be 5-6 and two games out of the final playoff spot. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/773 "2009-11-23T01:34:26Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > In the big league, I am especially hosed. I have held the top score in a 20 man league for most of the entire season, and yet my record is soon to be 4-7, which is going to be me like the 14th seed. So… yeah, top out of 20 players, 8 people make the playoffs… and I may not even be close to making it. I’ve been several hundred points ahead of my division leader (until recently, he’s catching up) while being several games behind. And now I’m even falling out of the wild card race with a 4 game losing streak. So I’m probably going to finish top 3 in scoring and not make the playoffs. I have by far the most points scored against me. Two divsions are lead by guys who scored under 1000 points, and yet other people over 900 are 3 or 4 games behind them. Some interesting numbers (through Week 10): ```auto Team Average of Score Exploding Pancakes 107.739 Scissor Me Timbers 107.613 Team Ed Gruberman 103.988 Frosted Lightning 103.709 Donte's Torino 102.446 Varlos' Zzzzzzzz 100.983 Fightin' Quakers 99.435 We Do HGH 98.207 Unrelated Siblings 97.6 Phoenix Redbirds 96.355 No Use For a Name II 95.082 Curry Porkrinds 93.162 Kid_A 91.467 Antonican Druids 90.383 Cobra Kai 88.53 Quentin's JAMmers 86.919 Stinkers 86.295 The Gusterrhoids 84.739 Master Baiters 83.107 Court Jesters 77.707 Team Average of OppScore Exploding Pancakes 110.643 Cobra Kai 102.724 Court Jesters 102.722 Phoenix Redbirds 101.731 Varlos' Zzzzzzzz 101.363 Team Ed Gruberman 101.066 Kid_A 98.989 Master Baiters 95.575 We Do HGH 95.299 Unrelated Siblings 94.297 Scissor Me Timbers 93.662 The Gusterrhoids 93.338 Fightin' Quakers 93.31 Frosted Lightning 93.231 No Use For a Name II 92.806 Stinkers 89.535 Curry Porkrinds 86.58 Antonican Druids 83.045 Donte's Torino 82.785 Quentin's JAMmers 82.765 Team Difference Donte's Torino 19.661 Scissor Me Timbers 13.951 Frosted Lightning 10.478 Antonican Druids 7.338 Curry Porkrinds 6.582 Fightin' Quakers 6.125 Quentin's JAMmers 4.154 Unrelated Siblings 3.303 Team Ed Gruberman 2.922 We Do HGH 2.908 No Use For a Name II 2.276 Varlos' Zzzzzzzz -0.38 Exploding Pancakes -2.904 Stinkers -3.24 Phoenix Redbirds -5.376 Kid_A -7.522 The Gusterrhoids -8.599 Master Baiters -12.468 Cobra Kai -14.194 Court Jesters -25.015 ``` ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/774 "2009-11-23T01:36:13Z")
Thanks for the numbers. Looks like I have a pretty huge and firm lead on points against. I mean ffs, numbers 2 through 6 are like a point and a half apart, but I’m up there at number 1, 8 points ahead of everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/775 "2009-11-23T01:55:19Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Thanks for the numbers. Looks like I have a pretty huge and firm lead on points against. I mean ffs, numbers 2 through 6 are like a point and a half apart, but I’m up there at number 1, 8 points ahead of everyone. Yup. And it’s not just from getting creamed a couple times on outlier cases (though you did take a hit by losing to me on the currently highest scoring game of the season). Doing an extremely non-scientific assignment of 1 point for the highest opponent score, 2 for the second, etc., here are some figures. I have no idea if they’re meaningful in the slightest: ```auto Team Sum of Weekly Rank Exploding Pancakes 683 Frosted Lightning 744 Scissor Me Timbers 749 Team Ed Gruberman 824 Varlos' Zzzzzzzz 856 Phoenix Redbirds 877 We Do HGH 881 Donte's Torino 885 Unrelated Siblings 920 Fightin' Quakers 979 Curry Porkrinds 1013 No Use For a Name II 1014 Kid_A 1080 Antonican Druids 1117 Cobra Kai 1152 Quentin's JAMmers 1154 Stinkers 1216 The Gusterrhoids 1275 Master Baiters 1300 Court Jesters 1381 Team Sum of Weekly Rank Opp Exploding Pancakes 665 Court Jesters 803 Cobra Kai 804 Team Ed Gruberman 815 Varlos' Zzzzzzzz 819 Phoenix Redbirds 865 Kid_A 918 Master Baiters 990 Unrelated Siblings 1008 The Gusterrhoids 1045 We Do HGH 1049 No Use For a Name II 1050 Fightin' Quakers 1061 Scissor Me Timbers 1083 Frosted Lightning 1100 Stinkers 1134 Curry Porkrinds 1146 Quentin's JAMmers 1203 Donte's Torino 1244 Antonican Druids 1298 ``` ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/776 "2009-11-23T02:22:08Z")
Wow. **SenorBeef** has the highest number of points scored, and i have the second-lowest. If i win this week (almost a certainty now, unless the Tennessee D gives me -7 or worse), and he loses, we’ll have the same record. Ouch. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/777 "2009-11-23T06:21:40Z")
Yep unless Slaton can put up more than 17 points I’m looking at ranking 16th in actual rank and 2nd in points scored. Munch, is there supposed to be a decimal point somewhere in those weekly ranking numbers? IE after 10 weeks my score of 683 means my opponent was on average was the 6.65th highest scoring person in the league? ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/778 "2009-11-23T13:23:45Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Munch, is there supposed to be a decimal point somewhere in those weekly ranking numbers? IE after 10 weeks my score of 683 means my opponent was on average was the 6.65th highest scoring person in the league? Nope. It’s pretty meaningless. Playing against the highest score gets you a 1, against the 2nd highest a 2, on down the 200th worst score getting a 200. Add up those 10 numbers, and that’s what you get. The average would be 1005 - but this is where the problem of small sample sizes comes in. 10 data points just allows for a ton of variation. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/779 "2009-11-23T13:55:04Z")
I’m 8-3 in my league, and as long as Warner isn’t going to miss any time I should be a lock for the playoffs. Last night my opponent needed 13 points from Forte (his #1 pick, btw) and came up short. Love it when that happens. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955/780 "2009-11-23T15:45:32Z")
So what do you guys will happen to the Indy offensive players during the fantasy playoffs? They’re close to locking up homefield advantage in the playoffs. There’s a new coach in town so I don’t know if he’ll go for the pussy route like Dungy and sit his starters with 2-3 games left in the season. I guess if Indy wins until then and have a serious shot at going 16-0 the starters would play. But what if they’re sitting around at 13-1 or 12-2 with home field locked up? Do they sit their starters? You’d think they’d have learned - every year they had great records and sat their players, they came into the playoff games looking listless and got their asses kicked. The year they had to play through the end of the season they won the superbowl. But then the next year Dungy sits his fucking starters against Tennessee - and not only that but (and this is unrelated to fantasy but screwed me) concedes the game by not calling his timeouts which could’ve gotten his team the ball back with time on the clock when they were down by less than a score. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fantasy-football-general-discussion/503955.md?page=40)