# Fanwanks or fan theories you love (open spoilers)

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**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [June 4, 2013, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148 "2013-06-04T20:11:25Z")\
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**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\
**Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/21 "2013-06-05T00:26:33Z")

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DarkZed is _really_ badass!

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**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\
**Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/22 "2013-06-05T00:29:51Z")

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That “Enemy of the State” is a sequel to “The Conversation.”

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**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\
**Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/23 "2013-06-05T00:36:54Z")

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I like the idea that “James Bond” is a legacy identity, passed from one agent to another, similar to the Dread Pirate Roberts.

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**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\
**Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/24 "2013-06-05T00:37:58Z")

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[Event Horizon](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_Horizon_%28film%29) is set in the past of the Warhammer 40,000 universe. _Event Horizon_ was just the first human ship to travel through the Warp.

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**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\
**Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/25 "2013-06-05T00:56:21Z")

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Firefly/Serenity’s Earth That Was wasn’t our Earth, but rather the original Cylon Earth from Battlestar Galactica. This explains why if you look closely you can see a firefly class ship in at least one space scene of BSG, it’s a REALLY old ship design that both the Colonies and the Verse kept using.

Now, if only I could figure out how to integrate the ship from Prometheus (basically a big firefly with a couple extra doodads stuck on) into this theory.

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**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\
**Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/26 "2013-06-05T01:07:45Z")

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The Coyote (silent nemesis of the Road Runner), Wile E. Coyote (vocal foil to Bugs Bunny), and Ralph Wolf (nine-to-five adversary of Sam Sheepdog) are all different characters played by the same actor.

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**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\
**Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/27 "2013-06-05T01:14:45Z")

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That _Inception_ is the sequel to _Titanic_. (Leo drops below the waves at the end of _Titanic_, and has washed up on shore at the beginning of _Inception_…)

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**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\
**Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/28 "2013-06-05T01:35:35Z")

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> [@Seanette](#):
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> I like the idea that “James Bond” is a legacy identity, passed from one agent to another, similar to the Dread Pirate Roberts.

This is actually the case in the 1967 film _[Casino Royale](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Royale_%281967_film%29)_ (the main character is David Niven as the _original_ James Bond, a retired WWI-era spy) although somehow I doubt most Bond fans consider this to be canon. 🙂

The idea actually makes more sense now than it did in 1967, as at that time Sean Connery was the only actor to have played James Bond in the movies.

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**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\
**Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/29 "2013-06-05T01:44:13Z")

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Here are a few of mine (I would guess I did originally see most of these on Cracked and/or Reddit). I don’t necessarily believe them but I like them.

1. Ferris Bueller doesn’t exist and the entire movie takes place in Cameron’s mind.

2. The Flintstones take place in the same time and place as the Jetsons. The Flintstones live on the Earth below and the Dinosaurs are genetically engineered.

3. Cobb’s wedding ring was his Totem all along, not the top.

4. Quentin Tarantino’s movies all take place in an Alternate Universe where the events of Inglorious Basterds changed history and made our culture a more crime ridden, violent place.

5. Neville was really the Chosen One.

6. I am not sure this one counts because I am pretty sure the movies say this is the case but the Internet considers this a fan theory: Zion is a part of the Matrix. Everything we saw was in the Matrix; no one ever leaves. Zion and the “free humans” are a safety valve the Machines use to keep the Matrix working.

7. This is my own personal one that I am pretty sure I made up: Tom Cruise dies in the Martian War machine in War of the Worlds. Everything we see from that point forward is just a fantasy in his head “Owl Creek Bridge” style.

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**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\
**Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/30 "2013-06-05T01:58:43Z")

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In A Song of Ice and Fire, the characters are so young. For me, too young to be physically and emotionally consistent with their given ages. So their ages are that planet’s years, not Earth years. Add 3-5 years to everyone’s ages for an Earth conversion and it’s considerably more believable and less creepy. This has something to do with their fucked up seasons.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/31 "2013-06-05T02:20:38Z")

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> [@Quimby](#):
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> Ferris Bueller doesn’t exist and the entire movie takes place in Cameron’s mind.

A more grim version of this is that the entire Harry Potter’s series took place in Harry’s mind. He was an abused child who was locked in a closet by his step-family. So he began inventing a fantasy life for himself where he was special.

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**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\
**Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/32 "2013-06-05T02:37:10Z")

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John Anderton was sentenced to mind prison in **Minority Report**. Everything that happened after that - his rescue with the why-are-they-still-valid security-eyeballs, confronting Max Von Sydow, etc, happened in his imprisoned mind.

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**Author:** ![Reepicheep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ed655f/32.png) [@Reepicheep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reepicheep)\
**Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/33 "2013-06-05T02:57:26Z")

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> [@Der\_Trihs](#):
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> The reason that the Federation from Star Trek keeps staggering from one near-disaster to another but never actually is destroyed is that they’re _save scumming._ They’ve had limited time travel since Kirk’s era after all. Every time something manages to ruin or destroy the Federation, some secret Federation agency, perhaps Section 31 or perhaps someone we’ve never heard of travels back to before the disaster and quietly makes _adjustments_ to the timeline to prevent it.

This is considered canon at my SF club. We have minutes where this is discussed since the early 90s.

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**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\
**Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/34 "2013-06-05T11:21:52Z")

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> [@Reepicheep](#):
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> This is considered canon at my SF club. We have minutes where this is discussed since the early 90s.

So, according to them, how does this work? In each of these futures, the Federation would not exist, right, as it had destroyed itself in that future’s past? So what group is constantly going into the past, trying to keep the Federation in existence, and constantly watching it be destroyed in yet another crisis? And what is so horrible about the future that they want the Federation so bad? A Federation that apparently keeps trying to destroy itself?

Note that the other form of this, where time travelers from the future are disrupting a past where the Federation was fine, and then others go back and fix it, is entirely canon, and is covered both in Voyager and Enterprise (and, to a lesser extent, Deep Space Nine [“Trials and Tribble-ations”]).

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**Author:** ![Staggerlee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/staggerlee/32/3134_2.png) [@Staggerlee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Staggerlee)\
**Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/35 "2013-06-05T11:26:53Z")

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> [@TBG](#):
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> Firefly/Serenity’s Earth That Was wasn’t our Earth, but rather the original Cylon Earth from Battlestar Galactica. This explains why if you look closely you can see a firefly class ship in at least one space scene of BSG, it’s a REALLY old ship design that both the Colonies and the Verse kept using.
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> Now, if only I could figure out how to integrate the ship from Prometheus (basically a big firefly with a couple extra doodads stuck on) into this theory.

Maybe in the Firefly universe, ‘Prometheus’ is a historical drama that was really poorly received on release.

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**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\
**Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/36 "2013-06-05T11:44:43Z")

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> [@Ethilrist](#):
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> In the Avengers universe, immediately after the fall of Captain AMerica, they tried to recreate the Super Soldier formula. They met with limited success, although it was very promising, according to General Ross in the Hulk movie. They tried it on a young volunteer, and he acquired amazing powers of recuperation and long life.

Marvel canon addresses this. That was actually…

Nick Fury

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**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\
**Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/37 "2013-06-05T11:58:17Z")

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> [@GIGObuster](#):
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> Pulp Fiction happens in the Avengers’s/Marvel Universe.
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> The Tesseract was inside Marsellus Wallace briefcase.
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> Nick Fury in disguise infiltrated the crime group to check if Marsellus was not involved with the Red Skull or other super villians, Jules/Nick retrieves the Cosmic Cube once he finds that it was luck what allowed Marsellus to have the Cosmic Cube the first place, and Marsellus was only partially aware of what the Cube could do.

Oooh, I LIKE that one! 😃

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**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\
**Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/38 "2013-06-05T11:59:58Z")

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Star Trek’s mirror universe – where the Vulcans making first contact got killed and looted by a Terran Empire suddenly bent on interstellar lebensraum – is the alternate timeline created when Edith Keeler’s pacifism was the wrong answer to WWII.

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**Author:** ![bobkitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@bobkitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobkitty)\
**Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/39 "2013-06-05T12:16:32Z")

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One that I love, which I believe is also stolen from Cracked… The accident that caused Daredevil to go blind as a child is the same accident that created the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

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**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\
**Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/40 "2013-06-05T12:48:10Z")

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> [@bobkitty](#):
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> One that I love, which I believe is also stolen from Cracked.. The accident that caused Daredevil to go blind as a child is the same accident that created the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

No, that’s essentially TMNT canon. Here’s [the Cracked article](http://www.cracked.com/article_19323_6-movie-tv-universes-that-overlap-in-mind-blowing-ways_p2.html) you’re probably thinking of.

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