# Fanwanks or fan theories you love (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 4, 2013, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148 "2013-06-04T20:11:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2014, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/161 "2014-06-08T17:17:28Z")
> [@AtomicDog](#): > > Batman/James Bond: Alfred is a former 00 agent. In some stories from the 1970s, it was stated that he had fought with the French Resistance in World War 2. That implies that he may have been an SOE agent. Updating it to the modern era, he could well be a 00. ---
**Author:** ![Clawdio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d07c76/32.png) [@Clawdio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clawdio)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/162 "2014-06-10T20:59:57Z")
The theory that Princess Bubblegum is really the big bad evil villain of the Land Ooo, on **Adventure Time**. Watching the epidodes after hearing this almost makes it seem like the writers had this in mind or, at least, are playing with us since the theory popped up on the internet. Potentially, it could turn out to be true. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/163 "2014-06-10T21:18:39Z")
I’m a fan of the Wizard of Oz theory put forward in [this Cracked video](http://www.cracked.com/video_18419_why-the-wizard-oz-more-hardcore-than-the-wire.html). Basically : Glinda is not a good witch, she’s a power-hungry manipulative bastard. ---
**Author:** ![Gerald\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Gerald\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gerald_II)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/164 "2014-06-10T21:32:05Z")
My favorites are the James Bond legacy idea and Ferris Bueller’s Day Off is really Cameron imagining an awesome day where he isn’t unhappy. Here’s some of mine: **Green Lantern aka Hal Jordan aka Parallax succeeded in remaking the DCU during Zero Hour** When Hal Jordan became a villain and wanted to remake the universe to the way things were the good guys stopped him, with Green Arrow delivering the fatal last blow. Well, in reality he DID succeed. All the things he wanted back, Coast City, being a good guy again, his friends back, they all happened. Hal Jordan is once again Green Lantern. His friend Barry Allen is back among the living as The Flash. All his fellow Green Lantern’s that he murdered in order to usurp their power rings turned out to have never been murdered, just _lost_. Coast City is once more. Even his gray hair was “explained” away. All the continuity errors in the DCU are a result of his tampering with the time line and when retcon’s occur, it’s really him “fixing” those errors. ---
**Author:** ![furryman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/furryman/32/99_2.png) [@furryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furryman)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/165 "2014-06-11T07:27:17Z")
> [@Clawdio](#): > > The theory that Princess Bubblegum is really the big bad evil villain of the Land Ooo, on **Adventure Time**. Watching the epidodes after hearing this almost makes it seem like the writers had this in mind or, at least, are playing with us since the theory popped up on the internet. Potentially, it could turn out to be true. Princess Bubblegum definitely isn’t always a nice person, but I get more of a mad scientist vibe from her. There have been episodes where she seems genuinely worried about the welfare of one of the other characters. ---
**Author:** ![AndrewL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@AndrewL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndrewL)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/166 "2014-06-11T14:41:56Z")
The Pokemon ‘Ditto’ is actually the result of failed attempts to clone Mew. Evidence: Ditto cannot reproduce normally. It can breed with nearly any Pokemon, but the offspring is always of the species of the other Pokemon, not a Ditto. A Ditto cannot breed with another Ditto, so where did the ‘wild’ ones come from? Ditto and Mew are the only Pokemon which can learn the move 'Transform", which allows them to make themselves into a copy of the target Pokemon. MewTwo is claimed to be the first successful clone of Mew, implying there may have been earlier unsuccessful clones. In Pokemon Yellow, Ditto is only found in Pokemon Mansion (where Mew was cloned) and Cerulean Cave (where MewTwo is hiding). Mew is claimed to contain the DNA of every Pokemon, and can learn every move in the game. Ditto can transform into any Pokemon, and can use any move that the Pokemon it turned into normally knows. Mew and Ditto both have the same color scheme in both normal and shiny forms. Pity this theory has been specifically stated as false by the game’s creators, it fits really well. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/167 "2014-06-11T14:56:17Z")
Mine is on the mirror universe in Star Trekdom. I watched _In A Mirror Darkly_ last night, the (ST) Enterprise mirror universe episode. In it, the 22nd century Enterprise acquires the 23rd century Defiant from the episode _The Tholian Web._ Now, if you remember, in that episode, it was never said the Defiant was going into the mirror universe. it was just going “somewhere”. While in that somewhere, the Defiant crew killed each other violently. The episode attributed that to Tholian space itself, as if that corner of the galaxy was different. I submit that the mirror universe itself is the source of the aggressiveness. In that universe, it’s not that humans simply went Nazi and never went back. There is a fundamental difference in the physics of the mirror universe that is very subtle, but it makes humans aggressive and violent. If one is born into the universe, the difference just creates a constant low level annoyance that makes everything “red”, as it were, like an itch you can never scratch. But if a normal universe human is thrown into it, he can’t handle it and goes mad. It’s like jumping into icy cold water - overwhelming. Kirk wasn’t affected in The Tholian Web, because he was all by himself, and had no one to be aggressive with. Any annoyance he felt, any unease, could just be considered to come from the fact he was floating by himself in a spacesuit. That could unnerve anyone. The Enterprise crew was affected because of the ‘bleed through’ from the mirror universe. In _Mirror, Mirror_, the four normal humans were feeling the effects, but counter-intuitively, the mirror human’s aggressiveness actually kept the four in check. They thought they were only ‘acting’ tough to fit in, and never noticed the mirror universe effect. Kirk himself has shown that he works to keep his evil half in check, so maybe for him, he didn’t have such a hard time controlling the effect. (We never saw how Scotty acted in engineering. And I’ll be the four never compared notes on how they felt.) The Defiant crew had nothing to react against, so they attacked each other. Other species might not feel the effect. The Halkans seemed peaceful in both universes. Wonder what the mirror Klingons are like. Maybe OUR universe has the same effect on Klingons? Now, the DS9 mirror episodes don’t fit my theory, but I kinda think DS9 went to the mirror well too often. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/168 "2014-06-11T15:54:15Z")
> [@Blake](#): > > No. In medieval England people matured much slower. Hell, in 1920s America people matured much slower. > > The age average of menarche in 1920 was 17 years. In the Middle Ages it was 19 even for the nobility. It would have been at least 12 months later for peasants. IOW most women wouldn’t have had their first period before their 20th birthday. Cite, please. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/169 "2014-06-11T16:15:55Z")
The big question is whether the Mirror universe is simply an alternate timeline, or if it’s somehow an “evil” universe. It could be debated forever. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/170 "2014-06-11T16:21:00Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Cite, please. I don’t think the idea that malnutrition delays the onset of puberty is particularly controversial, nor is the idea that malnutrition was widespread during the middle ages. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/171 "2014-06-11T16:43:04Z")
Here’s a theory I’ve held for a while: In the Star Wars EU, it seems to be accepted that no one knows what sort of creature Yoda was. My theory is that he was one of the last surviving Sith. Consider that Palpatine was a “Sith Lord,” but it’s never explained who/what he was supposed to be lording over. There are only ever 2 sith lords (the master & the apprentice) and you don’t “lord” over one guy. Yoda seems to be one of the most powerful Force users around, so it stands to reason that anyone who could become the lord of a society of such creatures would need to be the Best of the Best when it comes to Force use. In my theory, way back in history the Sith rose up against their lord, which led to brutal retaliation. Eventually, this fighting decimated their numbers, to the point where, by the time of the Episode 1, the species is almost extinct. There is still a stigma attached to the name, which is why nobody likes to mention what Yoda is. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/172 "2014-06-11T17:02:42Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > Here’s a theory I’ve held for a while: > > In the Star Wars EU, it seems to be accepted that no one knows what sort of creature Yoda was. My theory is that he was one of the last surviving Sith. Consider that Palpatine was a “Sith Lord,” but it’s never explained who/what he was supposed to be lording over. There are only ever 2 sith lords (the master & the apprentice) and you don’t “lord” over one guy. > > Yoda seems to be one of the most powerful Force users around, so it stands to reason that anyone who could become the lord of a society of such creatures would need to be the Best of the Best when it comes to Force use. > > In my theory, way back in history the Sith rose up against their lord, which led to brutal retaliation. Eventually, this fighting decimated their numbers, to the point where, by the time of the Episode 1, the species is almost extinct. There is still a stigma attached to the name, which is why nobody likes to mention what Yoda is. But there’s another Jedi introduced in the Prequels- Yaddle–which is Yoda’s race. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/173 "2014-06-11T17:05:03Z")
Terminators keep getting sent back because all the movies are set in an alternate dimension than the one the Terminators are coming from. Skynet keeps sending them back because they haven’t figured out that they can’t affect their own timeline, so they just keep trying. This also ties up the causality loop established in T2. In the original dimension, Skynet was created without time travel, but they ended up causing it to be created in the alternate dimension by sending back the first terminator. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/174 "2014-06-11T17:43:17Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > But there’s another Jedi introduced in the Prequels- Yaddle–which is Yoda’s race. I always assumed the pink guy with the giant ears at the end of Episode One was another of Yoda’s species but I have no evidence of that. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/175 "2014-06-11T17:47:38Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > Terminators keep getting sent back because all the movies are set in an alternate dimension than the one the Terminators are coming from. Skynet keeps sending them back because they haven’t figured out that they can’t affect their own timeline, so they just keep trying. > > This also ties up the causality loop established in T2. In the original dimension, Skynet was created without time travel, but they ended up causing it to be created in the alternate dimension by sending back the first terminator. I posted this once in a similar thread but my personal Terminator theory is Terminator 2 was SkyNet’s main plan to end the resistance and the events of the first Terminator were his back up plan. It makes sense that he would send his advanced prototype against his target and then as a plan B one of his off the shelf units after the Mother. That also explains how the T-1000 went back after Reese said the Time Displacement equipment was smashed: because it was sent before that happened! ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/176 "2014-06-11T20:08:12Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > A common reason why superheroines wear skimpy outfits is that their skin is _much_ tougher than any costume. The more exposed skin she has, the less likely it is she’ll have to buy a new costume when a bullet or death ray rips a hole in it before bouncing off her skin. Therefore, it’s cheaper for her to wear the minimum her standards of modesty allows. When I was reading comics there was a serious dearth of holes from bullets and rays. If this has changed, I might start reading again. As for your theory on the Borg, it makes perfect sense. The Borg almost defeated the Federation in “The Best of Both Worlds” only losing because they left a hole in their anti-virus. That made them scared that they’d lose the farm, as it were, so they became quite feeble afterwards. Picard is an unwitting Borg agent, which is why he passed up the opportunity to destroy them. Or maybe he is a witting one, and negotiated the farming deal which protected the Federation while he was on their cube. ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/177 "2014-06-11T20:39:44Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > Whereas in the original Conan Doyle stories, it’s not even canon that his first name is John. However it is canon in the original Conan Doyle stories that Sherlock loves Watson. > [@Sir Arthur Conan Doyle](#): > > It was worth a wound – it was worth many wounds – to know the depth of loyalty and love which lay behind that cold mask. The clear, hard eyes were dimmed for a moment, and the firm lips were shaking. For the one and only time I caught a glimpse of a great heart as well as of a great brain. All my years of humble but single minded service culminated in that moment of revelation. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/178 "2014-06-11T20:42:15Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > In my theory, way back in history the Sith rose up against their lord, which led to brutal retaliation. Eventually, this fighting decimated their numbers, to the point where, by the time of the Episode 1, the species is almost extinct. There is still a stigma attached to the name, which is why nobody likes to mention what Yoda is. The Sith species were introduced in the EU. > **[Sith (species)](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sith_(species))** > > The Sith were a red-skinned species with tentacles, susceptible to using the dark side of the Force. They shared their name with the Sith Order, a religious organization of Force-sensitives who also used the dark side.\[1\] Centuries before the... ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/179 "2014-06-11T22:59:08Z")
A Star Trek Mirror Universe related theory of mine: Every so often, things will happen for no apparent reason, even major occurrences like planets exploding (The planet Ceti Alpha VI in the system Khan was left in exploding, for example). Also, events in the mirror and normal universes are connected somehow so closely that despite all the differences for centuries many people and things mirror each other; there isn’t the divergence you’d see with a normal parallel universe. Perhaps these things are connected. Perhaps the reason that Ceti Alpha VI exploded for no apparent reason is that in the mirror universe, mirror Ceti Alpha VI was blown up by a starship. If the mirror effect tend to ensure that things like people and starships are mirrored in both universes, perhaps the opposite is true and _destroying_ them in one universe tends to result in them being destroyed in one way or another in the other universe. ---
**Author:** ![ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a8b319/32.png) [@ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ryan)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2014, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148/180 "2014-06-12T00:00:38Z")
Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. Ned Stark claimed him as his bastard to protect him from being killed after Robert’s rebellion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fanwanks-or-fan-theories-you-love-open-spoilers/660148.md?page=10)