# "farce! Farce! It's A Farce!" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 17, 2003, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/farce-farce-its-a-farce/195813 "2003-08-17T18:48:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Krillan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5fc32e/32.png) [@Krillan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krillan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/farce-farce-its-a-farce/195813/1 "2003-08-17T18:48:00Z")
C’mon folks, we need to get real here…No matter what the Israelis do to “appease” the Palestinian Arab terrorist groups, it will never be good enough. Let’s face it; these same terrorists just want to start murdering innocent Jews again. That’s all that’s on their mind. A good example of this senseless appeasement to terrorism: Israel is to hand over control of Jericho, Ramallah, Qalqilya and Tulkarem to the Palestinian Authority in the next two weeks. However, the terrorist groups call it a farce. > [@](#): > > GAZA CITY (AFP) - Palestinian militant groups, Hamas and Islamic Jihad, slammed an Israeli agreement to hand over control of four West Bank towns to Palestinian security forces as a “farce.” > [@](#): > > “The Israeli army will redeploy around these towns, pretending to withdraw. It’s a farce because Israel just wants to hide its aggression and continue building the wall,” Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh told AFP, referring to the security fence being built by Israel across the West Bank. Israel is “[hiding] its aggression”? By building a security fence because you drove them into doing it with your murdering terrorist antics? Yeah, building a fence to make it harder for you to terrorize innocent Jews is so aggressive I can hardly stand it! But shhh! Let’s not tell how you “hide [your] aggression” by [re-arming during the cease-fire](http://www.scotlandonsunday.com/international.cfm?id=872692003). We’ll keep it on the down-low… > [@](#): > > “Israel is tricking the world into believing that its army is pulling out of Palestinian towns, as it has already tricked the world over the release of Palestinian prisoners,” said Mohammad al-Hindi, leader of Islamic Jihad. Hey buddy…incase you weren’t aware, Israel really did release Palestinian prisoners. Is that too “tricky” for you to understand? And who says Israel is obligated to release these terrorists to please you when it obviously doesn’t matter and you all are just going to start killing again? Why would they give up 6,000 Jew killing machines? For the sport of re-capturing them? Nah, sorry, that’s just shooting themselves in the foot. They know you’ll terrorize again, so why help you out? You know, in a way, you’re right. It is a farce. You guys are pretty focused; on one thing, and one thing only: The continuing murders of innocent Jewish men, women, and children. Israel and the rest of the world (let’s leave out the Middle East for all intents and purposes) know this, too. You aren’t fooling anybody (let’s leave out Colin Powell and commie hippies for all intents and purposes). So, yeah, it is a farce. The moment you give in to your murderous temptations again, there will be another war between you and Israel, and Israel will romp you – God willing – and take back those towns they are giving to you. (If you enjoyed this fisking, you can read more of my posts @ [[Think About It]](http://think-about-it.us)) ---
**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/farce-farce-its-a-farce/195813/2 "2003-08-17T20:09:09Z")
Who are you talking to???:wally ---
**Author:** ![fruitbat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@fruitbat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fruitbat)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/farce-farce-its-a-farce/195813/3 "2003-08-17T20:28:29Z")
> [@](#): > > (If you enjoyed this fisking, you can read more of my posts I have been fisked. I feel violated. ---
**Author:** ![Krillan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5fc32e/32.png) [@Krillan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krillan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/farce-farce-its-a-farce/195813/4 "2003-08-17T20:33:11Z")
The term “fisking” to bloggers means that I’m giving in-your-face commentary about articles, events, or people. ---
**Author:** ![Krillan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5fc32e/32.png) [@Krillan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krillan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/farce-farce-its-a-farce/195813/5 "2003-08-17T20:36:36Z")
By the way, I’m using 2nd tense because I’m talking to those whom are speaking in the article quotes. I thought you’d be smart enough to pick that up… ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/farce-farce-its-a-farce/195813/6 "2003-08-17T20:39:32Z")
To recap the OP: **Jews = Good. Palestinians = Bad.** Got it. And here’s the proof: the SDMB has a happy Jewish man smilie ;j but is there a happy Palestinian smilie? _Nooooo…_ I rest my case. (I particularly liked the motto on the linked website: **Converting Evil Libs Everyday**. Yeesh.) ---
**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/farce-farce-its-a-farce/195813/7 "2003-08-17T20:55:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Krillan \* > \*\*By the way, I’m using 2nd tense because I’m talking to those whom are speaking in the article quotes. I thought you’d be smart enough to pick that up… \*\* And I was completely dismissing you and your “arguments” because I think your an idiot. I thought you’d be smart enough to pick that up… ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/farce-farce-its-a-farce/195813/8 "2003-08-17T21:07:02Z")
jr8 Now that you say it… No sign for Arab or even any Muslim-related. I start feeling ignored… No… I start feeling racism… No… My membership heer must be in fact in life danger… This website must be ruled by fanatical zionists… Upto now they didn’t discover that I’m the enemy in twofold: Muslim and, o horror, Arab. I think it is my late mother’s European side that has kept me alive here. Must be. I’m considering to quickly change my membername and start acting even more undercover. Suggestions to find an acceptable one are welcome. Shalom. A ---
**Author:** ![Krillan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5fc32e/32.png) [@Krillan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krillan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/farce-farce-its-a-farce/195813/9 "2003-08-17T21:14:03Z")
Haha, I didn’t realize that this discussion board was filled with a load of commie hippies. It’s a shame that you all adhere to the child-murdering ilk, namely the Palestinian Arab terrorist groups. Maybe you should go join them? I’m sure they’re regrouping and rearming right now for another suicide bombing on innocent Jews…dipshits. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/farce-farce-its-a-farce/195813/10 "2003-08-17T21:16:05Z")
Note, also, that there’s another smilie which uses a Yiddish word (I believe “putz” is Yiddish, no?); the Zionist conspiracy once more raises its ugly head. Thank Allah for the Coalition of Commie Hippies (_Colin Powell, Pres._) for revealing this treachery to the world. ---
**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/farce-farce-its-a-farce/195813/11 "2003-08-17T21:19:14Z")
;j I thought this was a bloke being electrocuted. **Krillan** , now you’ve been set straight as to the Straight Dope being a refuge for commie hippie child murderers, can we safely assume you’re going to _go away._ ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/farce-farce-its-a-farce/195813/12 "2003-08-17T21:25:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Krillan \* > \*\*Haha, I didn’t realize that this discussion board was filled with a load of commie hippies. \*\* It’s not. It’s filled with people who can recognize a position which so blatantly misrepresents both positions throught strawman arguments, false dilemmas and a variety of other obvious logical flaws that there’s no more point in bothering to refute it than there is arguing with the “faked moon landing” people. > [@](#): > > \*\*It’s a shame that you all adhere to the child-murdering ilk, namely the Palestinian Arab terrorist groups. Maybe you should go join them? \*\* Maybe you should learn to construct a better argument? It _is_ possible to view the world in other than strict black-and-white terms, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Krillan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5fc32e/32.png) [@Krillan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krillan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/farce-farce-its-a-farce/195813/13 "2003-08-17T21:27:53Z")
Colin Powell is shmuck to believe that this “road-map to peace” will ever end the Israeli-Palestinian conflicts. No, the only thing that will end it is Israel wiping Palestine off the map, because nothing except termination will stop the palestinian arab terrorist groups from doing what they were taught to do since they were toddlers: murder innocent jews. Try to let go of your religious beliefs for once and look at the big picture: Palestinian terrorists murder Jews. As the religion that claims to be “the religion of peace”, surely you’d refute what your Palestinian terrorist buddies are doing…but that’s besides the point, right? I’ve never witnessed such hipocrisy in my life than that I’ve seen of the Muslim religion – a religion that uses itself as an excuse to murder innocent people. Sorry, but I think that advocating for what the palestinian terrorist groups are doing is just making you people look worse and worse and worse… ---
**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/farce-farce-its-a-farce/195813/14 "2003-08-17T21:31:27Z")
Now who are you talking to? You know, you really have serious problems… ---
**Author:** ![MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bb73d2/32.png) [@MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MC_Master_of_Ceremonies)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/farce-farce-its-a-farce/195813/15 "2003-08-17T21:36:30Z")
I’m not racist, but the Palestinians are a mud race: When a Palestinian kills an Israeli is murder but when an Israeli kills a Palestinian it’s euthanasia. ---
**Author:** ![Krillan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5fc32e/32.png) [@Krillan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krillan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/farce-farce-its-a-farce/195813/16 "2003-08-17T21:41:04Z")
You mean, when an Israeli asks a Palestinian to surrender for killing 19 Israelis and the Palestinian starts a gunfight and the Israelis have no choice but to [return fire?](http://www.think-about-it.us/archives/000071.html) I didn’t know that was considered murder…thanks for the enlightment. ---
**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/farce-farce-its-a-farce/195813/17 "2003-08-17T21:48:03Z")
Is there a nurse on the message board?? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/farce-farce-its-a-farce/195813/18 "2003-08-17T21:48:34Z")
“Four legs gooood, two legs baaaad.” Note that I’m a racist Colin Powell-loving hippie Commie for implying that Israelis have four legs while Palestinians have only two. **Krillan** , nobody’s even debating with you, you’re just spitting at all the people unfortunate enough to open this thread. Now that you’ve discovered what liberal fiends we are, go tell the world! Just don’t let the door hit you on the way out. :wally ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/farce-farce-its-a-farce/195813/19 "2003-08-17T21:51:19Z")
If the OP is a free sample of the stuff **Krillian** peddles on a regular basis, then for the sake of all that’s good and sane, **Just Say No.** ---
**Author:** ![MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bb73d2/32.png) [@MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MC_Master_of_Ceremonies)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/farce-farce-its-a-farce/195813/20 "2003-08-17T21:51:32Z")
What about when Israeli soldiers shoot pre-teens for throwing rocks at tanks or summarily execute Palestinians for being outside after curfew? That’s self defence isn’t it? Anway I know someone whose in Palestine right now, here’s a couple of his reports: > [@](#): > > Well, I’m here in Jayyous, a small village of about 3200 people near Qalqilya in the West Bank. I arrived here yesterday after two days of ISM training in Beit Sahour. I cannot tell you how amazing and generous the people here are, it’s beyond belief. But that’s not the real story of this wonderful and tragic place. > > The awful scar of the Apartheid Wall cuts the farmers off from their lands. Vegetables that used to cost 100 shekels a box now cost only 2. There is a Bedou’in family completely fenced in, who cannot even reach the village, except by sneaking round, an incredibly risky activity. The North gate of the wall near the village has been closed for many days, whereas the South gate has huge boulders in front of it. The Israelis promised to remove the boulders days ago, but have taken away only one, so no tractors can pass. The farmers are losing valuble crops day by day. We will probably be sending a letter to the local office here, telling them that if they don’t open a wide enough gap in the North fence and take away the boulders, we will do it ourselves. If nothing happens by Saturday, we will have a ‘grand opening’ action, smashing the boulders with sledgehammers and cutting and removing the razor-wire in front of the North gate. We will have most of the village with us, as well as the eight or so ISMers staying in the house we are renting in the village, possibly with participation from other ISM regions. The media should be present as well. > > There is a school literally two meters from the wall in the village of Ras Atiyah, about forty-five minutes drive away from here on the Palestinian side. It teaches 700 children, from first to tenth grade, from all the neighbouring villages, some of which are on the Israeli side and are hence at the whim of the Israeli army. The gate beteen Ras Atiyah and Ras Atirah is currently open, but the locals expect that it, like many other gates in the region, will be locked shut in the next few weeks, cutting the students off from their school. The school year is due to start in September. On friday, we will be joining a locally-organised demonstration at the school, where villagers from all around will march to the gate from both sides. We will be joined by Israeli peace groups, as well as ISMers from other regions. I visited the school today to help plan ahead for the demo. There are slogans written on the wall of the schools such as ‘Please let us learn’, ‘Why do you put landmines near our school?’, and most touching to me, ‘UNESCO Where Are You?’. These kids have been abandoned by the a world that seems not to care. > > They are not terrorists, most people here have never even picked up a stone in anger. They are tear-gassed, shot at, arrested, impoverished and disempowered. Yet they have not lost their fighting spirit. They believe that one day this wall, which has destroyed hundreds of olive trees, scarring the land so much that it can be seen from space, will one day come down and they will once again be able to live in peace with their neighbours. > > I will write more soon, perhaps telling some of the personal stories I have heard from people here. For now, please send this message to your friends and families, so that maybe they will begin to understand. > > Yours in sadness and hope, > > * * * > [@](#): > > Anyway, we went down to the affected land today on foot, to witness the continued destruction. The road is supposedly being built to protect the settlement Zufim on the hilltop adjoining Jayyous. The settlement is, of course, completely illegal under international law, but I don’t need to remind you of that. Currently, there are 1,200 people living in Zufim. They will be expanding by 1,000 housing units, hoping to get 12,000 people there. This is, of course, not possible. There are simply not enough people wanting to live there to fill them. So in other words, the housing development is all about land-grab, taking the land which belongs to the already-impoverished farmers of Jayyous. This continues the pattern established since 1948, when 20% of Jayyous land was annexed to the Israeli state. Soon, many of these people will be left with nothing. > > In 1948, Israel was established on land already populated by Palestinians. For many years, they claimed that they came to an empty land to establish a state for themselves. Today, they are trying to make that land empty of the descendants of those inhabitants by forcing them off their land through starvation and ever-increasing desperation. They will not succeed. The people of Jayyous, and of Palestine in general, would rather die than leave their land. > > I am not making any political statement here, I am simply begging the world to understand the plight of the kind and wonderful people I have met in Jayyous in the last few days. > > An update on the school demonstration to take place on Friday: I have contacted UNESCO and I seem to have embarassed them enough for them to agree to try to send a representative. That’s what they’re saying, anyway. We’ll see how true they are to their promises. For now, I am optimistic. Secondly, it has been decided that the schoolchildren will play football/soccer across the gate that will block them off from their school. We internationals will flank them on both sides, so that if the Israeli army comes, they will have to confront us, and not the children. If they do show up, we plan to retreat, covering the children and local Palestinians. We do not expect trouble, but in this region, one never knows. > > Many of the kids here have told me they want to study in the US or Europe. Their thirst for knowledge is astounding, and almost all the students proceed to university. Unfortunately, many of the universities in Palestine have been closed for some months now. Education is seen as the key to a free and prosperous nation. They want to learn, and are so often prevented from doing so. One more tragedy in a place that needs anything but. > > In Solidarity, > > * * * [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/farce-farce-its-a-farce/195813.md?page=2)