# Fargo S1E9 \[Open spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 11, 2014, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522 "2014-06-11T03:14:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522/21 "2014-06-11T05:03:41Z")
> [@barefootcrazy](#): > > Imbecilic blabbermouth? The devoted wife who lied to protect her husband when questioned by Molly, only to be sent to her death by the coward? I don’t think so. She lied to Molly to protect her husband. But before that, she was about to give away the info to Molly \*\*twice \*\*and Lester had to poke her to make her shut up. Weren’t you watching that part? Most everyone should know that you should never volunteer any info to the police unnecessarily. It can always come back to bite you - even if you are totally innocent. You have to answer any questions they ask that you know they already have the answer. But aside from that, it is flirting with danger to volunteer any info to the police. And it’s very stupid to do that as well. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522/22 "2014-06-11T05:05:50Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > Yeah, if Malvo wanted Lester dead he could have shot him as he ran out of the elevator. > > I’m also not sure why Lester was compelled to confront Malvo so aggressively. Everything in a Vegas hotel, including the interior of the elevators is video recorded. They will have Malvo committing the deed and Lester surviving and attacking Malvo. It is in Lester’s changed character to no longer back down. I think the Malvo would have killed him as soon as he had help moving the bodies, same as with the trainer. > [@Accidental\_Martyr](#): > > How did the Las Vegas Police know Lester was a possible witness to the murders? > Malvo is a dentist when he’s not a hit man? > The Garden of Eden line was pretty heavy-handed. > [@GaryM](#): > > The timing at the diner was perfect! Malvo walks out, Molly walks in the back door and the two FBI agents walk in the front as Malvo sits in his car. Beautiful choreography. I was worried that Molly was going to arrive and find her Dad dead though. > > And now maybe Bill will see that Molly’s the smartest one in the bunch! Mr. Solverson knew exactly who he was talking to in that the guy was a bad guy. That is why he told the 20 dead bodies story. He didn’t tell Molly because he didn’t want her even looking at him as he headed out. Neither Solverson has ever said “yes” to Malvo. I think that in order for him to have spiritual authority to kill someone that you must say “yes” or knowing go along with something improper, like the dentist and hygenists who knew they weren’t supposed to see someone in witness protection, or the new Mrs. Nygaard, who lied to Molly about why they left Vegas. She knew that Lester was running from something, but she did not know what. I also think that Malvo knew that it wasn’t Lester he was shooting. Lester has death or something uglier waiting for him when Malvo catches up. But between Molly, Gus and Mr. Solverson, Malvo might be in trouble. Also, Key and Peele want redemption and have no moral reason to be denied. Molly was smart enough to not tell Bill “I told you so” and Bill is stupid, not nasty. Just being a woman and being right when the men are wrong would be enough in most police departments to get her on the permanent shit list. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522/23 "2014-06-11T05:07:16Z")
> [@Accidental\_Martyr](#): > > Sure, but I think it would be pretty hard to fake being a dentist. Another instance of supernatural ability. A human being does not learn to be a modern dentist in a year. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522/24 "2014-06-11T05:07:30Z")
> [@barefootcrazy](#): > > Malvo is not a _real_ dentist. He _became_ a dentist to get at the other dentist’s brother. > > Still confused as to how the Vegas police knew he was a witness. Was it possibly reported that he was seen leaving the bar with the group? Or did Lester, in the moments after the elevator shooting, get scared and report it but then regret he made the call and deny everything? Security cameras. Molly even referred to them. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522/25 "2014-06-11T05:09:11Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > Yeah, if Malvo wanted Lester dead he could have shot him as he ran out of the elevator. > > I’m also not sure why Lester was compelled to confront Malvo so aggressively. Malvo was going to let him go if he helped to hide the bodies. Lester is after him because Malvo bonked him on the head and ran. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522/26 "2014-06-11T05:12:45Z")
> [@barefootcrazy](#): > > Imbecilic blabbermouth? The devoted wife who lied to protect her husband when questioned by Molly, only to be sent to her death by the coward? I don’t think so. She was sent to her death because Lester recognized how dangerous she was to him. He must have figured he would be much better off without her because he was involved in some crimes and she was not clever enough to realize the importance of keeping her mouth shut. If she lived, she could have easily put Lester in prison with that mouth of hers. It’s true that she was devoted to Lester and she was a very fine and wonderful woman to be sure … except for one thing - **her mouth.** I’m sorry. But none of that is my fault. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522/27 "2014-06-11T05:17:33Z")
> [@Accidental\_Martyr](#): > > Sure, but I think it would be pretty hard to fake being a dentist. There have been many real life cases of people faking that they were airline pilots, surgeons and all kinds of other things. The movie, “Catch me if you can” documents the true story of Frank Abnigail who had no college education but impersonated being an airline pilot and a doctor and several other things and got away with it for years and years. Learning enough to pass for a dentist would not be too difficult - especially if you had a partner to handle the truly difficult cases. ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522/28 "2014-06-11T05:20:12Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Another instance of supernatural ability. A human being does not learn to be a modern dentist in a year. Yes, so we’re now operating on the premise that Malvo isn’t human at all but is a supernatural entity? If that’s the case then he’s basically invincible and the only ending will be him doing whatever he wants without any hope of defeating him. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522/29 "2014-06-11T05:20:49Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > She was sent to her death because Lester recognized how dangerous she was to him. > > He must have figured he would be much better off without her because he was involved in some crimes and she was not clever enough to realize the importance of keeping her mouth shut. If she lived, she could have easily put Lester in prison with that mouth of hers. > > It’s true that she was devoted to Lester and she was a very fine and wonderful woman to be sure … except for one thing - **her mouth.** > > I’m sorry. But none of that is my fault. He sent her to her death because he suspected that Malvo was in the office and better her than him. She was really quick on her feet and realized that Lester was hiding something. That’s why she lied and said it was her idea to leave early. ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522/30 "2014-06-11T05:21:48Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > There have been many real life cases of people faking that they were airline pilots, surgeons and all kinds of other things. > > The movie, “Catch me if you can” documents the true story of Frank Abnigail who had no college education but impersonated being an airline pilot and a doctor and several other things and got away with it for years and years. > > Learning enough to pass for a dentist would not be too difficult - especially if you had a partner to handle the truly difficult cases. Really? Do you think you could walk into a dentist’s office and pretend to be a dentist and start treating patients? ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522/31 "2014-06-11T05:25:18Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > \ > Neither Solverson has ever said “yes” to Malvo. I think that in order for him to have spiritual authority to kill someone that you must say “yes” or knowing go along with something improper, like the dentist and hygenists who knew they weren’t supposed to see someone in witness protection, or the new Mrs. Nygaard, who lied to Molly about why they left Vegas. > \ So, you believe Malvo is a supernatural being or has some connection to a supernatural principle? That’s a very interesting theory. I wouldn’t dismiss it. But if so, why does Malvo have to call in to Rundle Realty to get his assignments and answer to them for any delays, etc. Would he need to do any of that if he were a supernatural being? ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522/32 "2014-06-11T05:27:02Z")
> [@Accidental\_Martyr](#): > > Really? Do you think you could walk into a dentist’s office and pretend to be a dentist and start treating patients? Did I say that I could do that? I said there have been many real life cases of people who have done that. You can look up Frank Abnigail if you are interested in how he did it. I don’t know the details but I suspect he would have read a few books on the subjects first to get a working knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522/33 "2014-06-11T05:32:41Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > Did I say that I could do that? > > I said there have been many real life cases of people who have done that. How many? > [@](#): > > You can look up Frank Abnigail if you are interested in how he did it. I don’t know the details but I suspect he would have read a few books on the subjects first to get a working knowledge. Yes, I’ve seen the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522/34 "2014-06-11T05:38:47Z")
Wow, I just did a search and it looks like there are cases of people pretending to be dentists. Here’s one: > **[Police: New Cassel Man Ran Fake Dental Practice Out Of His Home](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/police-new-cassel-man-ran-fake-dental-practice-out-of-his-home/)** > > Detectives went to Manuael Carranza's New Cassel home on Wednesday afternoon after receiving a call that the 46-year-old was operating an unlicensed dental practice. I guess I was wrong. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522/35 "2014-06-11T05:44:33Z")
Being a good dentist that didn’t cause enormous pain and alert a partner to being fake would be a lot tougher. Modern dentists are expected to be very careful about pain, and it is a tough thing to master, especially by mid-life. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522/36 "2014-06-11T07:24:42Z")
For all those people who are leaning towards some supernatural theory regarding Malvo, consider all the mischevious things he has done. 1. Remember how he got the young man to urinate in the lady’s gas tank and then called her and told her and she came after the young man with a broom? 2. Remember how he called the older son of Sam Hesse and told him his father had left his entire estate to the younger son and how that caused the older son to break the collarbone of the younger one? 3. Remember when he visited Lester’s old home and told stories to the little children living there about all the murders that happened there and the noises heard in the night? Those are just 3 examples. But if I recall, there have been more. What does that have to do with his being a supernatural being? There is a supernatural being known as a “Dybbyk” (spelling not certain). If you look it up, it is a creature that loves to create mischief just like Malvo creates. If you look it up, you will learn these creatures have other powers and purposes and if the showrunner is attempting to compare Malvo to such a creature, that may shed some light on what is going on. Personally, the thing I care most about is seeing the moron chief get his comeuppance. I sure do hope that will happen in the finale. Here is a link to the Dybbyk: > **[Dybbuk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dybbuk)** > > In Jewish mythology, a dybbuk (/ˈdɪbək/; Yiddish: דיבוק, from the Hebrew verb .mw-parser-output .script-hebrew,.mw-parser-output .script-Hebr{font-family:"SBL Hebrew","SBL BibLit","Taamey Ashkenaz","Taamey Frank CLM","Frank Ruehl CLM","Ezra SIL","Ezra SIL SR","Keter Aram Tsova","Taamey David CLM","Keter YG","Shofar","David CLM","Hadasim CLM","Simple CLM","Nachlieli",Cardo,Alef,"Noto Serif Hebrew","Noto Sans Hebrew","David Libre",David,"Times New Roman",Gisha,Arial,FreeSerif,FreeSans}דָּבַק‎ dāḇ... ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522/37 "2014-06-11T09:54:20Z")
I don’t think Malvo has anything supernatural about him. He’s just an extraordinarily clever man and an extraordinarily nasty one. He enjoys bringing misery into peoples’ lives. He reminds me of Aaron the Moor in Shakespeare’s Titus Andronicus, and I would not be surprised if the writers had taken their cue for Malvo from Aaron. Here’s Aaron in typical braggadocio mood. It might be Malvo speaking. Tit. Andr. Act V,i > [@](#): > > Even now I curse the day–and yet, I think, > Few come within the compass of my curse,– > Wherein I did not some notorious ill, > As kill a man, or else devise his death, > Ravish a maid, or plot the way to do it. > Accuse some innocent and forswear myself, > Set deadly enmity between two friends, > Make poor men’s cattle break their necks; > Set fire on barns and hay-stacks in the night, > And bid the owners quench them with their tears. > Oft have I digg’d up dead men from their graves, > And set them upright at their dear friends’ doors, […] > Tut, I have done a thousand dreadful things > As willingly as one would kill a fly, > And nothing grieves me heartily indeed > But that I cannot do ten thousand more. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522/38 "2014-06-11T10:01:32Z")
> [@Accidental\_Martyr](#): > > Wow, I just did a search and it looks like there are cases of people pretending to be dentists. Here’s one: > [Police: New Cassel Man Ran Fake Dental Practice Out Of His Home - CBS New York](http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/04/26/police-new-cassel-man-ran-fake-dental-practice-out-of-his-home/) > I guess I was wrong. ☹ Well, it takes a big person to admit when they are wrong. But I was getting pretty close to getting banned for saying some very terrible things to you. I’m happy it didn’t have to come to that. 🙂 (just j/k) ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522/39 "2014-06-11T11:29:39Z")
Another thought about Shakespearean villains and Malvo. The poet Coleridge wrote in a marginal note on _Othello_ that Iago’s attempts at rationalizing his motives for wreaking such evil on those around him are “the motive-hunting of motiveless malignity”. Iago is simply, like Malvo, a nasty bastard. Then of course the name Malvo itself irresistibly brings to mind Malvolio from _Twelfth Night_, Olivia’s villainous steward, a nasty piece of work himself albeit his villainy is circumscribed by the fact that _Twelfth Night_ is a comedy rather than a tragedy. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522/40 "2014-06-11T11:40:59Z")
Someone can be symbolically a devil without being actually supernatural. Happens in literature all the time. Just like someone can be a Christ-figure without actually being Jesus Returned. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s1e9-open-spoilers/690522.md?page=3)