# Fargo S2

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**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [September 28, 2015, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840 "2015-09-28T15:08:05Z")\
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**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\
**Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/221 "2015-11-17T18:58:16Z")

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> [@Omar\_Little](#):
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> Anyone know who sang this version. Was it _Ginger Baker’s Air Force_?

I googled “imdb man of constant sorrow” and found …

[https://www.google.ca/search?q=imdb+man+of+constant+sorrow&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws\_rd=cr&ei=4HdLVv7hFMfKeq3wtLAD](https://www.google.ca/search?q=imdb+man+of+constant+sorrow&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=4HdLVv7hFMfKeq3wtLAD)

Here is a link for Dan Tyminski. He sang the song in “O Brother Where Art Thou” which was produced by the Coen Bros. He may be the singer you seek. I’m not sure.

> **[Dan Tyminski | Actor, Music Department, Soundtrack](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0990639/)**
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> Known for: O Brother, Where Art Thou?, Forever My Girl, Southern Gospel

I’m not sure if this is the correct singer. But I’m guessing it won’t be hard to find. They should list the performer somewhere in the credits.

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**Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/222 "2015-11-17T19:22:11Z")

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> [@Omar\_Little](#):
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> Anyone know who sang this version. Was it _Ginger Baker’s Air Force_?

According to [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_of_Constant_Sorrow#Others), a 2015 recording by a band called [Blitzen Trapper](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitzen_Trapper).

Nice catch, tho. I didn’t hear the lyrics at all.

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**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\
**Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/223 "2015-11-17T19:25:09Z")

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> [@JohnGalt](#):
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> Did anyone else get the feeling that all the old magazines are a real fire hazard? I half expected Dodd to torch the place, forcing Peggy (and whoever else) out of hiding. Maybe a fire will happen in a future episode.

It certainly seems there is a piece missing from the puzzle. Something about Peggy just doesn’t add up. Maybe we will find out that she has a secret in a future episode. The character is definitely “a little touched”. Ted Danson was great yesterday. I never fully appreciated his acting ability. He is an excellent actor. I hope we see more of him in future epis.

As for Peggy, do you remember the episode when she was taking a birth control pill? I think it was in that epi (but it may have been some other). She had a postcard on her mirror labelled, “Hollywood”. It would seem she has dreams of going to California to become a famos movie actor lady (or something).

But the one thing that seems pretty clear is that in her relationship with Ed, she is the one who calls the shots. Remember poor Ed complaining about the amount of sex he gets. He just loves her “soooooooo much” … “so very very much”.

We got a clue yesterday when she was arguing with the cops (paraphrasing): “you can’t come here and take my husband away. You have no right. You can’t search my car for blood. You need permission. Don’t you?” Somewhere in all that babbling, I think there is a clue to her state of mind.

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**Author:** ![Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_John_Marcej)\
**Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/224 "2015-11-17T21:47:54Z")

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> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#):
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> Ted Danson was great yesterday. I never fully appreciated his acting ability. He is an excellent actor. I hope we see more of him in future epis.

I agree. I’d also like to add just how (maybe surprisingly) well Kirsten Dunst has been as Peggy. I’m guessing her character is this season’s version of Martin Freeman from season 1 and William H. Macy from the movie. “Normal” people who get into situations they’re clearly not equipped to handle and wriggle to get out of when things go horribly wrong.  
I know that Dunst seems to get a lot of criticism heaped on her, especially on the internet, but wanted to give her a shout out on such a fine, nuanced performance as Peggy.

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**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\
**Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/225 "2015-11-17T22:30:27Z")

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> [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](#):
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> I agree. I’d also like to add just how (maybe surprisingly) well Kirsten Dunst has been as Peggy. I’m guessing her character is this season’s version of Martin Freeman from season 1 and William H. Macy from the movie. “Normal” people who get into situations they’re clearly not equipped to handle and wriggle to get out of when things go horribly wrong.  
> I know that Dunst seems to get a lot of criticism heaped on her, especially on the internet, but wanted to give her a shout out on such a fine, nuanced performance as Peggy.

Let me agree back with you.

It must be very difficult for an actor to play a character that is reviled.

I strongly dislike the character she plays. She lies to everyone. She agrees with her husband that they are trying to create a baby. And on and on.

But doesn’t she do a fabulous job? I think the more people hate her, means she is doing a better job.

It doesn’t help when everywhere she looks, People are spewing their vile at her. Can most people not really understand the difference between the actor and the character she is playing? In any event, she is doing a masterful job making so many of us believe she is “a little touched”.

I can’t wait to find out if all those magazines and dreams of Hollywood are just a big delusion and part of some mental problem or if she has some really interesting secret. Maybe she thinks that she has discovered “burn proof” paper and she’s working on a big secret project in her basement? Or … maybe she is not a little touched but instead a \*\*lot \*\*touched?

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**Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/226 "2015-11-18T18:10:25Z")

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Yes, Danson and Dunst have both been surprisingly good in roles that, I think, don’t come naturally to them.

It occurred to me that, if the young butcher hadn’t asked for a lawyer, he probably would’ve died that night. All the more reason to seek counsel when charged with a crime!

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**Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/227 "2015-11-18T18:13:12Z")

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I don’t know if he would have died; was Bear Gerhardt really prepared to enter the sheriff’s station guns blazing, shooting multiple law enforcement officers? I kind of doubt it. That would put a whole lot of retribution in the form of the state police, FBI and so forth.

Edited to add, I think he was hoping they’d voluntarily give up Ed the butcher and Bear’s son.

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**Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/228 "2015-11-18T18:34:54Z")

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> [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](#):
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> I agree. I’d also like to add just how (maybe surprisingly) well Kirsten Dunst has been as Peggy. I’m guessing her character is this season’s version of Martin Freeman from season 1 and William H. Macy from the movie. “Normal” people who get into situations they’re clearly not equipped to handle and wriggle to get out of when things go horribly wrong.  
> I know that Dunst seems to get a lot of criticism heaped on her, especially on the internet, but wanted to give her a shout out on such a fine, nuanced performance as Peggy.

This entire cast has been outstanding, with the surprise performances (for me) coming from Danson and Dunst. Danson was fine in the _Damages_ series, but still chewed the scenery every time he was on screen. I feared more of that with this series, along with Dunst’s usual wooden, expressionless performance, but they’ve really nailed these roles. Jesse Plemon is spot-on as a working man on a dead-end path, with an inexplicably beautiful wife who has realized she could do much, much better. The bad guys are wonderfully awful, as well. Combine all that with sparkling dialog, terrific cinematography, directing and editing, and this thing is headed for multiple Emmys.

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**Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/229 "2015-11-18T19:32:17Z")

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The Jabberwocky monologue was great.

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**Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/230 "2015-11-18T23:27:11Z")

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> [@Chefguy](#):
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> Jesse Plemon is spot-on as a working man on a dead-end path, with an inexplicably beautiful wife who has realized she could do much, much better.

Dead-end path? What is wrong with his path? His character may be a bit dull and not have much imagination, but he hopes (I think) to be a good husband and father, while pursuing a profession the provides a service to his community.

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**Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/231 "2015-11-19T00:13:54Z")

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> [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](#):
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> I know that Dunst seems to get a lot of criticism heaped on her, especially on the internet, but wanted to give her a shout out on such a fine, nuanced performance as Peggy.

She’s doing a fine job and she does get too much criticism IMHO. Much like Nicole Kidman, another actor I think of as solidly “good” that everyone seems to like to rag on. No accounting for taste of course, because we all have actors that annoy us - Michael Pitt can do a fine job, but I still can’t stand him in anything. But while Dunst isn’t quite up there with an Amy Adams\* or Jennifer Lawrence IMO, she’s easily a step above middle-of-the-pack. A solid, reliable actor that seems to know her craft and have some limited range. I’ve never seen her really stink up the joint.  
\*Adams first film work was with Dunst in the black comedy/mockumentary _Drop Dead Gorgeous_ and one can see the influence of writing on acting impact. Adams’ two-dimensional supporting role was nothing special and Dunst was really quite good. But then Dunst was the main protagonist.

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**Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/232 "2015-11-19T00:34:25Z")

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> [@Tamerlane](#):
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> \*Adams first film work was with Dunst in the black comedy/mockumentary _Drop Dead Gorgeous_ and one can see the influence of writing on acting impact. Adams’ two-dimensional supporting role was nothing special and Dunst was really quite good. But then Dunst was the main protagonist.

That movie was all kinds of awesome.

I thought Dunst was fantastic in Melancholia and solid in Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. My suspicion is that much of the flak she gets is from comic book nerds who were butthurt about her lack of enthusiasm during press for the Spiderman sequels.

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**Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/233 "2015-11-19T02:15:13Z")

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> [@Fleetwood](#):
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> Dead-end path? What is wrong with his path? His character may be a bit dull and not have much imagination, but he hopes (I think) to be a good husband and father, while pursuing a profession the provides a service to his community.

Poor choice of words, maybe. As far as his wife is concerned, he’s going nowhere, despite his aspirations to own the butcher shop. He wants kids, and she definitely doesn’t (at least not with him or not yet). She sees her life at a boring impasse (other than momentary escape through her magazines) unless she escapes a claustrophobic Midwestern town. Maybe the excitement of all that’s transpiring will reinvigorate the marriage.

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**Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/234 "2015-11-19T02:39:32Z")

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I’ve not seen any comments about the phone call to Milligan where he was told that if he didn’t get things done the undertaker would be sent in.

I’m betting that Billy Bob Thornton who was calling bingo in Ep 1, is the undertaker.

What do you think?

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> [@Chefguy](#):
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> …Maybe the excitement of all that’s transpiring will reinvigorate the marriage.

There’s no sex like just-survived-a-Fargo-Mob-hit sex.

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**Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/236 "2015-11-19T02:46:39Z")

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There’s a lot of Dunst hate because of tabloid stuff that carries over to disliking her performances.

I think my favorite of hers is in Dick. I love that movie so much. Bring It On is pretty good too.

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> [@EllisDee](#):
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> That movie was all kinds of awesome.
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> I thought Dunst was fantastic in Melancholia and solid in Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. My suspicion is that much of the flak she gets is from comic book nerds who were butthurt about her lack of enthusiasm during press for the Spiderman sequels.

Also, she was the originator of the term “Manic Pixie Dream Girl” from the movie Elizabethtown, which probably didn’t help her.

She’s well cast in this role, and I think it would be good if she kept getting supporting character actress roles like it, not leading woman roles.

> [@GaryM](#):
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> I’ve not seen any comments about the phone call to Milligan where he was told that if he didn’t get things done the undertaker would be sent in.
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> I’m betting that Billy Bob Thornton who was calling bingo in Ep 1, is the undertaker.
> 
> What do you think?

Wait, are you saying Billy Bob Thornton was on the first episode of this season? I don’t remember that, and I can’t find anyone else referencing it, and I’d be very surprised if he had a cameo like that.

But as for his character Malvo, I don’t think he’ll be the Undertaker, and I hope he’s not. Malvo was an agent of chaos, I don’t need to see more of his backstory. And he’s such a big character from the first season, it would be difficult for the story to not just be taken over by him if he comes in.

> [@Fair\_Rarity](#):
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> There’s a lot of Dunst hate because of tabloid stuff that carries over to disliking her performances.
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> I think my favorite of hers is in Dick. I love that movie so much. Bring It On is pretty good too.

I know more tabloid news than I should, and I can’t think of a single thing about her from the tabloids. Did she have some bad stories about her? Or is she known for any specific bad traits?

Dick is such a great movie. I saw it when it first came out and loved it, and I’d probably enjoy it more now, know that I’ve read more about the real Watergate scandal. She was really great in it too.

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**Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/238 "2015-11-19T15:03:48Z")

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In S2, E1 there was a short scene, I guess a cameo, where he was in a bingo hall calling the game. I’ll fire up the DVR and come back with the approx time. He is listed in the cast too.

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**Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/239 "2015-11-19T15:17:25Z")

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The guy calling bingo at approx 34 minutes in sure looks like Bill Bob to me. The scene where Karl is talking about beating cancer.

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**Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/240 "2015-11-19T15:21:33Z")

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> [@JohnGalt](#):
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> Did anyone else get the feeling that all the old magazines are a real fire hazard? I half expected Dodd to torch the place, forcing Peggy (and whoever else) out of hiding. Maybe a fire will happen in a future episode.

Yeah, I thought the magazines were some type of foreshadowing too. First there’s the garage filled with the magazines, then there is the specific conversation about the travel magazines. Unless it’s just to show us how much she dreams of the BBD (Bigger Better Deal).

What’s interesting to me is that if the series continues to loosely chain their stories together; we need to figure out who (or what) is going to bridge us to season 3!

In the movie it was about the money left by the side of the road, and it tied into season one with the money being discovered and used to create a grocery empire.

In season one we have the cop’s father who talks about a massacre in the 70s, which turns out to be the younger version of the policeman in season two.

It’d be cool to see Ted Danson’s character also live to the end, and somehow get tied into a story about how he was a young cop when Otto began his family empire. Or you could take it back into the future again. Who knows? I don’t but I’m definitely along for the journey!

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