# Fargo S2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 28, 2015, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840 "2015-09-28T15:08:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/161 "2015-11-11T19:38:50Z")
What I couldn’t get over at the butcher shop were the dead chickens in the window. Why would you have raw chickens hanging in a window?!? It was not enclosed, so it’s not refrigerated. I’m an old fart, my dad worked in a butcher shop in the 70s, and all the meat was refigerated. That part really bugged me! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2015, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/162 "2015-11-12T17:11:13Z")
Besides it wasn’t a hairbrush, it was hair combs. And it wasn’t a locket – it was a pocket watch. She sold her hair to buy him a watch fob for it. At least get the story right. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/163 "2015-11-12T19:38:52Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Besides it wasn’t a hairbrush, it was hair combs. And it wasn’t a locket – it was a pocket watch. She sold her hair to buy him a watch fob for it. At least get the story right. uh - charlie\_wayne said he couldn’t remember the exact details, and still he got it pretty fricken close - someone piss in your Wheaties today? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2015, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/164 "2015-11-12T20:13:09Z")
Yeah, not only that he said the episode reminded him of a short story and then proceeded to arrive at the title of the episode on his own. Pretty impressive, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Iowa68](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b77776/32.png) [@Iowa68](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iowa68)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2015, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/165 "2015-11-12T21:05:31Z")
I have been listening to “Aw Jeez”:A Fargo Podcast from Minnesota Public Radio. It really gives some insight to each episode. It has an interview with a cast member at the end too. [http://www.mprnews.org/topic/aw-jeez-fargo](http://www.mprnews.org/topic/aw-jeez-fargo) One of the things mentioned on the last episode was that Kirsten Dunst had said that there had been an unfilmed scene in which her character had come into the butcher shop to visit her boyfriend/fiance who was leaving for Vietnam and he had said to Ed “take care of her if something happens to me”. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/166 "2015-11-13T01:43:31Z")
> [@simster](#): > > uh - charlie\_wayne said he couldn’t remember the exact details, and still he got it pretty fricken close - someone piss in your Wheaties today? He linked to the story in Wiki, he could’ve read it. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/167 "2015-11-13T01:47:59Z")
I know this goes back some episodes, but Brad Garrett’s character’s comment about the “Northern water” rings true. Small details. I’ve been to NDak and the water is different than what I’m used to in the mid-Atlantic–it does feel slimy, and tastes different, and it takes forever to wash clean in the shower as Mike Milligan noticed. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/168 "2015-11-13T20:52:47Z")
I’m enjoying the show and will definitely keep watching. Loved the scene where the meek local cop unloads his gun when ordered to by the Gerhardt mooks, but Trooper Solverson refuses: “Am I the only one here who’s clear on the concept of law enforcement?” Some questions: Who was the bow-hunter that Bulo and the other mob guys were going out into the woods with? Why were they all so heavily armed, but so totally surprised by the Gerhardt attack? What happened to the young Gerhardt boy’s gun in the back of the butcher shop? Did it jam, or was there only a single bullet in the magazine? Why not take Otto hostage after you’ve killed his guards and nurse? That would give you some pretty serious leverage over the rest of his family. > [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > …Who would have ever imagined that Jean Smart had this range of acting ability. I’m really shocked at how talented she is. Amazing! Agreed. She’s come a long way from _Designing Women_, as I noted upthread. > [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I agree that the outlook for Peggy and Ed is not good. Especially considering the seminar she wants to go to is in Sioux Falls, where last season Lou Solverson said he saw a terrible massacre. I had thought the massacre would be some crime family related thing, it would be funny and Coen-esque if it was set at a Lifespring seminar… Remember, too, that the B&W Reagan movie of which we see a little in episode 1, scene 1 is _Massacre at Sioux Falls_ - a nonexistent flick, according to Wiki and IMDb, just like _Operation Eagle’s Nest_ and _Moonbase Freedom_, which Reagan also mentions on the show. (According to Wiki’s history of Sioux Falls there was no massacre there during the Indian Wars, either). > [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > …Milligan seems to be strategic, and figured the daughter would be a good way to get info. But I’m sure it also didn’t take much. She seemed a little resentful of how she’s marginalized within the family. And also she specifically said something about how she can’t find any guy to go out with in town because they are all afraid of her dad. So then Milligan comes in, this handsome guy, who knows about all about her family business and so can listen to her bitch about her family, and who also isn’t afraid of her dad or the rest of the family, I’m guessing it didn’t take a whole lot for him to sweet-talk her to bed… > [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > …But she did have that apartment to sneak off to where she thought Rye might be hiding out. She probably has a bar in the next town over where she goes to drink and her family isn’t as well known, or something like that… She’s a bad girl and probably has a reputation in the area. Milligan doubtless soon saw she was rebellious and hated her dad, and sleeping with a badass black guy from out of town would be a pretty good way to get back at him in rural Minnesota c. 1979. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/169 "2015-11-13T20:53:48Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > …Also, I liked the scene at the beginning with Gerhardt and Dodd. It goes a long way to showing why Dodd is the way he is now, since he had to stab a guy when he was that young on his dad’s orders. Yeah, good scene. I thought the crime boss young Dodd stabbed looked like he might be played by Owen Wilson, but IMDb says not. > [@voltaire](#): > > …It’s funny to think about how if Peggy had just done the normal thing and stopped her car after hitting Rye, she would have been the town hero! Heh. That would have made for a _very_ different show! > [@BlankSlate](#): > > …ETA: The [hair salon] boss lady character is Constance, played by Elizabeth Marvel. Marvel also plays an ambitious lawyer and politico on _House of Cards_: [http://cdn1-www.afterellen.com/assets/uploads/2015/10/constance.png](http://cdn1-www.afterellen.com/assets/uploads/2015/10/constance.png) [![](https://i.huffpost.com/gen/2700710/images/n-DUNBAR-SUPREME-COURT-large570.jpg) ](https://i.huffpost.com/gen/2700710/images/n-DUNBAR-SUPREME-COURT-large570.jpg) > [@pinkfreud](#): > > I really love this series! I keep being surprised by things, which is a delightful change from the usual TV shows with plot twists that are easily guessed in advance. Bruce Campbell as Ronald Reagan just blew me away. What a wonderful job of casting! Campbell is doing his best as Reagan but not quite pulling it off, I’d say (although the bathroom scene where he’s trying empathize with Solverson, an actual combat vet, by remembering war movies he’d starred in, was funny). Phil Hartman did a better Reagan on _SNL_, and Alan Rickman (of all people!) in _The Butler_, IMHO. > [@Iowa68](#): > > I have been listening to “Aw Jeez”:A Fargo Podcast from Minnesota Public Radio… One of the things mentioned on the last episode was that Kirsten Dunst had said that there had been an unfilmed scene in which her character had come into the butcher shop to visit her boyfriend/fiance who was leaving for Vietnam and he had said to Ed “take care of her if something happens to me”. Interesting! I’d like to see that someday. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/170 "2015-11-13T22:03:53Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Who was the bow-hunter that Bulo and the other mob guys were going out into the woods with? Why were they all so heavily armed, but so totally surprised by the Gerhardt attack? That was a recreational hunting trip with a local politician who was going to deliver Kansas City all the corruption and influence they desired. They weren’t heavily armed; for the most part they just had hunting rifles. (Shotguns?) Sort of the mob equivalent to business deals on a golf course. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/171 "2015-11-13T22:44:35Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Campbell is doing his best as Reagan but not quite pulling it off, I’d say (although the bathroom scene where he’s trying empathize with Solverson, an actual combat vet, by remembering war movies he’d starred in, was funny). Phil Hartman did a better Reagan on _SNL_, and Alan Rickman (of all people!) in _The Butler_, IMHO. I feel like they deliberately played that NOT as an impersonation. Reagan is so easy to impersonate that if they had wanted us to see Reagan, they could have. I was actually surprised that that turned out to be Reagan, I kept expecting whoever it was to say “and thus it’s my great honor to present the next president of the united states, Ronald Reagan!” or something like that. But in retrospect, I like it. Reagan is such an icon (for better or worse) that it would be hard to see him as an actual person if he looked and acted like full-on Reagan. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/172 "2015-11-13T23:13:38Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > That was a recreational hunting trip with a local politician who was going to deliver Kansas City all the corruption and influence they desired. They weren’t heavily armed; for the most part they just had hunting rifles. (Shotguns?) > > Sort of the mob equivalent to business deals on a golf course. Kind of strange their intelligence was good enough that on short notice, they could lay an ambush in a remote area, where both the mob and the politician would not want it known that they were meeting, and yet they have no clue about the trysts between Milligan and Dodd’s daughter. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/173 "2015-11-14T00:41:25Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Kind of strange their intelligence was good enough that on short notice, they could lay an ambush in a remote area, where both the mob and the politician would not want it known that they were meeting, and yet they have no clue about the trysts between Milligan and Dodd’s daughter. That doesn’t bother me much. The Gerhardts are local criminal royalty, undoubtedly with deep family ties to the area ( already hinted at by the local officer ). Someone like a local dirty politician would be somebody they’d already know very well and keep tabs on in a war-time situation. All it would take would be a secretary in his office dropping a dime on him and they could set up an ambush in an hour or two if they knew generally where he was heading. Meanwhile the family is so tied up in that blood ties shit it is probably inconceivable to them that even their occasionally abused, resentful wild child would play that sort of game behind their back. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/174 "2015-11-14T05:27:40Z")
All of Bulo’s guys met beforehand and were openly carrying weapons, which I wouldn’t expect them to do if they were just escorting Bulo and the developer on a deer hunt. Seemed like they expected trouble, or were on their way to inflict it on someone else, and yet they were caught flat-footed by the Gerhardts’ attack. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/175 "2015-11-14T11:25:32Z")
I watched Episode 4 again and I got a laugh out of the realization of just how much most everyone spews hypocrisy most all the time. IMO, we all do this. I’m certainly not immune. I don’t know of anyone who is. I’m talking about the scene between Peggy and her boss. “Repeat after me. You will go to Sioux Falls. You will take that course. And no one will ever tell you how to live your life again.” Apparently neither of these ladies realized that while she was telling Peggy that “no one would ever tell her how to live her life again”, she was doing exactly that. I see this all the time. Some of the strongest speeches we make is when we are finding fault with others for doing exactly the same thing they are doing at the moment when they are telling others how wrong it is for them to behave in that same way. It is to laugh. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2015, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/176 "2015-11-14T22:35:02Z")
The most emphatic advice can also sometimes be the most ironic. ---
**Author:** ![JohnGalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johngalt/32/184_2.png) [@JohnGalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnGalt)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2015, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/177 "2015-11-15T02:27:59Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > \ > > She’s a bad girl and probably has a reputation in the area. Milligan doubtless soon saw she was rebellious and hated her dad, and sleeping with a badass black guy from out of town would be a pretty good way to get back at him in rural Minnesota c. 1979. It’s also a pretty good way to get back at him in rural Minnesota c. 2015. ---
**Author:** ![crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/178 "2015-11-16T15:29:58Z")
no time to read all the posts…why are the Milligan’s looking for Rye Gerhardt? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/179 "2015-11-16T15:44:27Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > All of Bulo’s guys met beforehand and were openly carrying weapons, which I wouldn’t expect them to do if they were just escorting Bulo and the developer on a deer hunt. Seemed like they expected trouble, or were on their way to inflict it on someone else, and yet they were caught flat-footed by the Gerhardts’ attack. IIRC, the councilman mentioned how many weapons they had. I think that the Kansas City crew were carrying a lot of weapons because they thought there might be trouble, but they were taken by surprise how quickly the Gerhardts hit back. They underestimated the Fargo crew and probably assumed they’d make a deal. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840/180 "2015-11-16T16:44:21Z")
> [@crucible](#): > > no time to read all the posts…why are the Milligan’s looking for Rye Gerhardt? For leverage over the rest of the Gerhardts. Floyd would be more likely to negotiate if her youngest son was held hostage. > [@madmonk28](#): > > IIRC, the councilman mentioned how many weapons they had. I think that the Kansas City crew were carrying a lot of weapons because they thought there might be trouble, but they were taken by surprise how quickly the Gerhardts hit back. They underestimated the Fargo crew and probably assumed they’d make a deal. That’s what I thought too. Negotiations weren’t going great, so Kansas City thought there might be trouble and were prepared, just they weren’t prepared enough. Or it could have been that there was some plan to threaten or kill the councilman, but then he was killed by the Gerhardts, so if that’s the case it’s a dropped plot thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s2/732840.md?page=10)