# Fargo S4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [December 31, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s4/826991 "2018-12-31T17:21:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s4/826991/221 "2020-12-10T06:06:45Z")
Were the revolvers that they had one of those seven shot varieties or is that even possible to tell? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s4/826991/222 "2020-12-10T15:30:32Z")
I didn’t get a good look at it. I heard seven shots, but then only saw six holes in the door (I think). Not a big deal, in any case. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s4/826991/223 "2020-12-10T17:58:52Z")
Just finished binging this today and like most people I didn’t think it was up to Fargo standards. I think the problem was the two leads, not just Chris Rock. Jason Schwartzman, whom I usually love in everything, also wasn’t really believable as the Italian capo. Everyone else nailed their role. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s4/826991/224 "2020-12-10T19:02:33Z")
The only difference is that Schwartzman’s char was never meant to be ‘believable’ in the role - he was clearly out of his depth and not respected by anyone in the family. One good thing about season 4 - it prompted me to rewatch season 2 and season 1 - and the difference is astounding. Ed: Are you seeing this? Peggy: It’s just a flyin’ saucer, Ed, we gotta go. You gotta stop stabbing him! But now, now I must bid you all adieu, admonish you to watch your proverbial butts, for I shall be back with the sledgehammer of justice, prepared to lay Joseph waste on these four walls! If you so much as touch a hair on my client’s– Karl Out of my way, tool of the state! For I am come to comfort and counsel my client, even as you seek to prison him. Karl ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s4/826991/225 "2020-12-10T19:42:32Z")
> [@simster](#): > > The only difference is that Schwartzman’s char was never meant to be ‘believable’ in the role - he was clearly out of his depth and not respected by anyone in the family. I know that was the character, I still didn’t buy him in it. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s4/826991/226 "2020-12-10T20:13:43Z")
Yeah, I think Jason Schwartzman not being a believable mob boss was the point. He eventually paid for that with his life. So it wasn’t bad acting as a convincing mob boss, it was good acting as a terrible mob boss. I really liked Chris Rock. I don’t get the complaints at all. He might have had the best performance in a season filled with amazing performances. I think, though, like Josto, he wasn’t supposed to be a stereotypical mobster. Like Mike Milligan in S2, he was “the thoughtful criminal”. And I think he nailed it. Maybe if you were expecting a black Corleone, that’s why you think he wasn’t convincing? I’ve seen a ton of complaints and I don’t understand. Season 2 is my favorite, but this one is probably tied with S1 for second place. And I still loved S3, but nevertheless, it was the “worst” of the bunch. If anything, this season is a return to form, not a fall from grace. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s4/826991/227 "2020-12-10T20:28:00Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > I’ve seen a ton of complaints and I don’t understand. Season 2 is my favorite, but this one is probably tied with S1 for second place. And I still loved S3, but nevertheless, it was the “worst” of the bunch. If anything, this season is a return to form, not a fall from grace. YMMV. That basically describes my feelings to a T. I also liked Rock and Schwartzman, although I think that the actors who played Oraetta, Ethelrida and Gaetano were even better. My biggest disappointment with Season 4 was that the last few episodes felt kind of rushed, with too many people getting killed off in rapid succession. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s4/826991/228 "2020-12-10T20:29:15Z")
Perhaps production was cut short by COVID? ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s4/826991/229 "2020-12-11T05:29:47Z")
> [@hogarth](#): > > That basically describes my feelings to a T. I also liked Rock and Schwartzman, although I think that the actors who played Oraetta, Ethelrida and Gaetano were even better. Yeah, I’m in agreement with yourself and **DrCube** here. I think they did well. The characters weren’t meant to be typical “strong gangster” types. One was out of his depth, but placed by familial succession. The other was basically a smart normal man making his way in the world in any avenue he could possibly pursue. Both wonderful characters played really well. But it’s hard to compete with a character whose last words are “ _Can you shoot him first so_ **I can watch**?” Especially when _they’ve_ been played so well. > [@hogarth](#): > > My biggest disappointment with Season 4 was that the last few episodes felt kind of rushed, with too many people getting killed off in rapid succession. I do agree with this, but I would think it was probably somewhat due to the format, and somewhat due to the war coming to a head. It could have been played out in more detail, but it would have taken a couple of more episodes. ---
**Author:** ![LVBoPeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/858c86/32.png) [@LVBoPeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LVBoPeep)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s4/826991/230 "2020-12-11T14:04:50Z")
There was so much to like about this season- I think it was only just a little less re-watchable due to the really outstanding Seasons 1 & 2 but still great t.v . Any scene with Oreatta, Ethelreda, the Marshall (Chris Rock telling him about Mormon “friendliness” was a great scene) , and Rabbi Mulligan I really enjoyed. Did not particularly care for the ghost angle, though when everyone starts dying like flies and Oreatta sees it for herself, kind of cheered at that. Could have also done without the criminal ladies pair - they just were a little too cartoonish for me. But out of the seasons, like Season 3, it just doesn’t quite live up to the first two but it’s still better tv than most of what is out there. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s4/826991/231 "2020-12-11T14:38:26Z")
Even with all my nitpicking and kvetching, I’d agree with that. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s4/826991/232 "2020-12-11T15:09:09Z")
> [@LVBoPeep](#): > > (Chris Rock telling him about Mormon “friendliness” was a great scene) [Like father like son I guess](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo2oq0UktAs&ab_channel=MikeLewinski) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s4/826991/233 "2020-12-12T05:42:07Z")
Wow, great catch! I have no memory of those lines first being heard in that season. ---
**Author:** ![LVBoPeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/858c86/32.png) [@LVBoPeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LVBoPeep)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s4/826991/234 "2020-12-12T17:27:09Z")
Nice- I didn’t catch that either. Great ! ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s4/826991/235 "2020-12-12T17:35:14Z")
Yeah, I caught that, too. But then I’ve watched the other three seasons three times now. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s4/826991/236 "2020-12-12T17:38:23Z")
It’s the same type of line that ties Hanzee (S2) to Moses Tipoli (S1). Don’t care ‘heavily guarded’, don’t care ‘Into the sea.’" He also defends a pair of boy, one of whom is deaf, from a pair of bullies (the boys, obviously, being Wrench and Numbers.) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s4/826991/237 "2020-12-12T21:44:54Z")
The other tie-ins from season to season are, as I recall: S1: The ice scraper and hidden bag o’ money from the movie form the basis of the supermarket magnate’s fortune S2: Lou Solverson as a young Minnesota State Trooper, seen as an old diner owner from S1; Mike Milligan took his name from “Rabbi” Milligan in S4 S3: There’s a reference to Stan Grossman, a businessman from the film; Billy Bob Thornton from S1 narrates “Peter and the Wolf” S4: A young Satchel Cannon will grow up to be Mike Milligan in S2 Any others you remember or caught? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s4/826991/238 "2020-12-12T23:35:45Z")
The Fargo guys Loy calls in are the same gang that the Gearhardts fought early on season 2. Young Otto stabs the main guy in the head in a movie theater. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2020, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s4/826991/239 "2020-12-13T02:29:08Z")
I thought that was Dod that stabbed the guy, who was about to kill Otto. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2020, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-s4/826991/240 "2020-12-13T02:35:01Z")
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