# Fargo Season 5 discussion (Starts 21NOV2023) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [November 16, 2023, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228 "2023-11-16T08:16:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/121 "2023-12-30T04:31:36Z")
absolutely - no doubt about it - in fact, wasn’t that one of the things the FBI agents stated (that they believed) when trying to stay on the case? ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/122 "2023-12-30T04:43:57Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I _really_ don’t care that the show misidentified Wales as being part of the Kingdom of England. Not to keep this going, but… wasn’t it? I mean, after they made Prince of Wales the title for the heir apparent to the English throne, doesn’t that kind of signal “part of the Kingdom of England”, at least as a political entity? Wikipedia certainly seems to think so: > **[Kingdom of England | Conquest of Wales](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_England#Conquest_of_Wales)** > > Up until the Norman conquest of England, Wales had remained for the most part independent of the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms, although some Welsh kings did sometimes acknowledge the Bretwalda. Soon after the Norman conquest of England, however, some Norman lords began to attack Wales. They conquered and ruled parts of it, acknowledging the overlordship of the Norman kings of England but with considerable local independence. Over many years these "Marcher Lords" conquered more and more of Wales, against ... It’s even on their map: [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Location_map_of_England_in_1700.svg/367px-Location_map_of_England_in_1700.svg.png) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Location_map_of_England_in_1700.svg/367px-Location_map_of_England_in_1700.svg.png) ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/123 "2023-12-30T04:45:54Z")
Again, I _really_ don’t care. It’s completely irrelevant to the show I’m watching. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/124 "2023-12-30T04:46:47Z")
Hey, conversation had just started to move past it until [you brought it up again](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/120)… ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/125 "2023-12-30T04:47:49Z")
Apologies to all concerned. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/126 "2023-12-30T04:50:20Z")
Anyway… I think the elder Mrs. Lyon is going to be the real wild card in all of this. Does she make a turn, and, will it matter? Or will fate see to it that it doesn’t? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/127 "2023-12-30T04:51:03Z")
Getting back to the subject, though, I read some of the Reddit thread about the Wizard of Oz connection. I’m looking forward to seeing how this plays out. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/128 "2023-12-30T04:55:41Z")
What’s the Wizard of Oz connection? Other than the name (Dorothy) and the obvious dream sequence? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/129 "2023-12-30T04:58:31Z")
It was described upthread, in [post 103](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/103?). ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/130 "2023-12-30T05:02:52Z")
So, I just skimmed that, and nothing really stuck out to me as “Of course!” It all seems very superficial and doesn’t really add anything interesting to the story other than maybe being something like an inside joke. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/131 "2023-12-30T14:29:45Z")
For me the “it’s a dream” moment was when Dot entered the lodge and everyone was sitting there watching the puppet show. When it was over you could hear applause, but nobody was clapping, they were all turned around looking at her. I said “Is she dreaming?” Which would explain why she ran out of gas after just having been at a truck stop – why wouldn’t you fill up while you were there? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/132 "2023-12-30T16:01:02Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > Which would explain why she ran out of gas after just having been at a truck stop – why wouldn’t you fill up while you were there? We said the same thing - but we also had no idea how long she may have been driving since leaving the truckstop. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/133 "2023-12-30T16:18:50Z")
Also, she wakes up in bed and it was all a dream. It hadn’t occurred to me that Linda, the first wife, was dead, but it seems obvious now. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/134 "2023-12-30T16:21:29Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > He is a 500 year old Scottish peasant. Trousers would be uncomfortable and restrictive to him. > [@Made\_in\_Macau](#): > > Wales has never been in the Kingdom of England - not in 1522, not in 55 AD and not now. I’m sure this is not important to most viewers, but it nevertheless matters, as the Sin Eater tradition is a Welsh one - not english. (Yes, I am a Welshman) So, to the poster above who said Munch is Scottish, either actually or in ancestry - no. Ignorance fought. Sorry about that. My family hails from NI, so I totally understand the importance of the distinction. I just misremembered. I actually think the Wizard of Oz references are pretty interesting. The diner dream would be Dorothy in the poppy field. The Reddit thread linked above was pretty interesting. Everything points to Gator and Munch(kin) winding up on Dot’s team. Except that Munch will def be trying to kill Gator. I haven’t figured out who represents Oz. But then Dot hasn’t made it to the Emerald city yet. I agree that Linda the first is probably dead. If she is, has Gator realized that? And if she’s not, then Dot was never really Roy’s wife. The one thing I’m sure of is that Roy meets his end in that creepy chapel. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/135 "2023-12-30T16:36:36Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > And if she’s not, then Dot was never really Roy’s wife. Given her age, it’s also possible that, regardless of Linda’s status, the purported marriage between Roy and Dorothy (or rather, Nadine) was a nonage, or at least voidable, given Dorothy’s age at the time. I am also guessing that Roy didn’t go through the trouble of getting the consent of Linda’s parent(s) or guardian (to the extent that might be required from someone under the age of 18 to legally marry–I am not well-versed in… North Dakota? law pertaining to marriage) given that she was (apparently) a runaway when she met him. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/136 "2023-12-30T16:37:51Z")
Dot’s husband is the cowardly Lyon Gator is the tin man looking for a hart Scarecrow is Munch (maybe teams up against Tillman?) Just spitballing here. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/137 "2023-12-30T16:40:21Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Gator is the tin man looking for a hart > Scarecrow is Munch (maybe teams up against Tillman?) Gator is the one who seems to lack brains. He’s the idiot son, right? Whereas Munch actually seems pretty sly–though a bit of a sociopath. So if parallels must be drawn, I’d swap them out. But, again, I’m not finding the Wizard of Oz connections particularly meaningful. Not to say they aren’t there, just that they seem very superficial to me at this point and don’t really add anything in terms of subtext beyond what is already evident without making the Oz connection. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/138 "2023-12-30T16:44:04Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Dot’s husband is the cowardly Lyon > Gator is the tin man looking for a hart > Scarecrow is Munch (maybe teams up against Tillman?) > > Just spitballing here. I think in the Reddit thread someone suggested Indira as the Tin Man (perhaps based on “tin” badges). ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/139 "2023-12-30T16:46:57Z")
BTW, when Lorraine learned that Dot ran away from her marriage to Roy, I thought she would use that to show that Dot wasn’t legitimately married to Wayne. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/140 "2023-12-30T17:04:56Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I think in the Reddit thread someone suggested Indira as the Tin Man (perhaps based on “tin” badges). That’s solid. Gator lacks a brain, a heart and let’s face it is seriously lacking in a lot of essential aspects of a functioning adult. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228.md?page=8)