# Fargo Season 5 discussion (Starts 21NOV2023) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [November 16, 2023, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228 "2023-11-16T08:16:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2023, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/161 "2023-12-31T23:41:00Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I think in the Reddit thread someone suggested Indira as the Tin Man (perhaps based on “tin” badges). The danger in this sort of analysis is that you can basically assign Wizard of Oz characters to the characters of ANY show or movie. There’s usually a protagonist, a dumb one, a cowardly one, an antagonist, and so on. I could finagle a way to assign WOO characters to the characters in Die Hard, probably. But if you take a skeptics view - like, why is Gator in dumb one? Isn’t Indira’s husband comically stupid, too? Maybe he’s the scarecrow, but the scarecrow was kind and both Gator and Indira’s husband are awful human beings. Is Mrs. Lyon the wicked witch? She may be warming up to Dot now, so maybe she’s not? The characters in one thing can usually be mapped onto another because we keep using the same archetypes. My daughter and I were joking the other day that they should do a Batman movie with Muppets, and it took all of sixty seconds to quite logically assign Batman characters to all the major Muppets; Kermit has to be Batman, of course, but then Miss Piggy is Catwoman, Fozzie Bear is the Joker, Gonzo is the Riddler, Dr. Bunsen Honeydew is Lucius Fox, Scooter is Alfred, Robin is… uh, Robin, Animal is Bane, so on and so forth. You can always squint your eyes and convince yourself of that sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2024, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/162 "2024-01-01T21:50:26Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I could finagle a way to assign WOO characters to the characters in Die Hard, probably. Bruce Willis = Dorothy? ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2024, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/163 "2024-01-02T03:59:09Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > When it was over you could hear applause, but nobody was clapping, they were all turned around looking at her. I said “Is she dreaming?” FWIW, I think the applause is part of the actual track of the orchestra performance that was playing during that scene. And I liked how even the puppets turned to look at her when she fainted. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2024, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/164 "2024-01-02T04:36:49Z")
> [@solost](#): > > Bruce Willis = Dorothy? Naturally. Transported to a strange land, forced to do battle with an evil leader and their army of goons. The limo driver needed a brain and officer Winslow needed to find his courage. In a twist, Tin Man was executed by a gunshot to the head just as he was finding his heart. But true to form, it turns out our hero had all they needed all along: a home to go to, with wife and children and an immigrant housekeeper. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2024, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/165 "2024-01-02T13:02:39Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > The limo driver needed a brain and officer Winslow needed to find his courage. In a twist, Tin Man was executed by a gunshot to the head just as he was finding his heart. Great calls on limo driver needing a brain and Officer Winslow needing courage. But wait, are you saying the Tin Man was Holly McClane / Gennaro’s boss, or the smarmy dude who tried to sell out McClane to the bad guys? Don’t know if I quite buy either one. Maybe, and I may get in trouble here, Holly was the Tin Man? Yes, John McClane was the one who eventually apologized to her for not being understanding of her career choice. But she chose to uproot their life and relationship together, and move to the other side of the continent for a job opportunity, however good an opportunity it was. Adding insult to injury, she reverts to her maiden name while still only separated. At the very least, she chose her career over her heart. But then, who knows what a pain in the ass McCalne might have been to live with… “Ho ho ho, now I have the TV remote”. ---
**Author:** ![JacobSwan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a6a055/32.png) [@JacobSwan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JacobSwan)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2024, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/166 "2024-01-02T14:19:45Z")
Just eat your dinner, stop asking it how it feels! ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/167 "2024-01-03T08:08:10Z")
I watch these episodes dreading reaching the moment that they end. I would have liked an hour more of tonight’s episode. Looks like the less bad of the main bad guys are being taken out first. I actually kind of liked Old Dave Nelson, he didn’t seem to be anything worse than a lawyer with flexible ethics. And surely Gator will be the next to fall. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/168 "2024-01-03T14:27:40Z")
I’m not sure that I’d go with Dot being Wayne’s property as the main reason for Lorraine to do a 180 on Dot. Scotti has to be in her manipulations, too. Dot gave her her granddaughter. I know from familial experience that that can buy a lot of leeway in a relationship. And Lorraine’s cold and calculating enough to realize that, too. Her attitude towards Dot (especially in front of Scotti) is going to make a big difference. I have to agree that this season is easily my favorite of the last few, and I think every bit as good as the first two seasons. I’m hooked. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/169 "2024-01-03T14:41:03Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > And Lorraine’s cold and calculating enough to realize that, too. Her attitude towards Dot (especially in front of Scotti) is going to make a big difference. Lorraine doesn’t really like anyone, and maybe only loves Scotti and her son. But what she respects is STRENGTH. Especially in women. She didn’t respect Dot because Dot seemed like a mousy, passive housewife. When she learned Dot was maybe a lot stronger and more self-reliant than she had previously believed, she gained respect - you could see it in her face. She also gained a bit of respect for Indira Olmstead, who demonstrated strength in standing up to Lorraine. Lorraine is a predator. She sees weakness, prey behaviour, as beneath contempt, but strong behaviour as a thing to be acknowledged and reckoned with. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/170 "2024-01-03T18:02:13Z")
I was happy to see Lars thrown out of the house and for Indira to tell him what she really thought of him. (You could see that the woman with whom he was cheating realized what a loser he was.) ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/171 "2024-01-03T18:29:25Z")
Lorraine’s (new) lawyer is going to put Lars through legal hell. He will never recover from the debt he’s left with. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/172 "2024-01-03T21:10:38Z")
Pretty good episode with a couple of things that threw me. The out of place odd cover version of Britney Spear’s Toxic. Am I watching Fargo or Grey’s Anatomy? Also, the multiple Roys debate set-up seemed oddly complicated of a scheme. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/173 "2024-01-04T00:56:58Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I could finagle a way to assign WOO characters to the characters in Die Hard, Nonsense. Everybody knows Die Hard is a retelling of Alice in Wonderland! (If you think about this, it will blow your mind!) ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/174 "2024-01-04T01:07:06Z")
I find it impossible to believe that a character like Dot doesn’t know how to get out of handcuffs. Y’all who aren’t buying the WOO themes, I’ll just point out that as I clicked “play” my thought was “Now I guess we’ll see her in the wicked witches castle.” And if that’s correct, then the head guard will wind up on her side. Did you see the look on his face when he came in to find Roy beating her? Re: the scenes from next week: > **Spoiler** > > It looks like Lorraine has called in the National Guard, and Roy will get to play with his tank. That doesn’t bode well for people in plank houses. ---
**Author:** ![Nicest\_of\_the\_Damned](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8baadc/32.png) [@Nicest\_of\_the\_Damned](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nicest_of_the_Damned)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/175 "2024-01-04T01:54:05Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > The out of place odd cover version of Britney Spear’s Toxic. I didn’t think it was out of place. Roy is definitely toxic. I actually really liked that version and had to check if it was on Spotify (it is, Jeff Russo and Lisa Hannigan). > [@TruCelt](#): > > I’ll just point out that as I clicked “play” my thought was “Now I guess we’ll see her in the wicked witches castle.” Well here’s the real test: does it sync up with Dark Side of the Moon? ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/176 "2024-01-04T01:59:29Z")
All things sync up with Dark Side. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/177 "2024-01-04T02:10:09Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > I find it impossible to believe that a character like Dot doesn’t know how to get out of handcuffs. agreed, except the handcuffs appeared to be tightly on a broken/injured wrist. She should still have that paperclip, right? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/178 "2024-01-04T02:11:21Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > And surely Gator will be the next to fall. considering his passenger - absofuckinglutely. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/179 "2024-01-04T04:02:39Z")
> [@Dung\_Beetle](#): > > All things sync up with Dark Side. With enough drugs ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fargo-season-5-discussion-starts-21nov2023/993228/180 "2024-01-04T05:20:38Z")
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