# Fascism, hope(lessness) and Trump's America **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [December 3, 2024, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fascism-hope-lessness-and-trumps-america/1011150 "2024-12-03T20:52:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fascism-hope-lessness-and-trumps-america/1011150/181 "2024-12-20T20:46:47Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > This is a false dichotomy. Most fascist regimes, though they certainly kill and torture their actual and perceived political enemies and terrorize their populations, don’t involve “vast numbers of people dying in concentration camps”. Things can get really, really bad without getting to literal Nazi-level bad. That’s exactly my point: plenty of posts here _have literally_ predicted concentration camps, and not just the obvious individual. So maybe there’s another possibility: exaggeration. > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > This is completely unrealistic advice. No country is going to give you political asylum based on “I’m scared of what Trump might do in the future”. > > … > > I advise everyone to make sure their passports are in order, and I would advise members of visible minority groups to move out of deep red areas, but pre-emptively fleeing the country is just not a realistic option for most people. Which is why I mentioned the possibility of hunkering down armed. But I realize we disagree about whether our current American lifestyle is compatible with “the end of democracy.” Thing is, I’m not entirely sure a lot of people (in general) have really even tried to consider it, and have the worst case scenario in mind by default as a result. Thus my posts. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fascism-hope-lessness-and-trumps-america/1011150/182 "2024-12-20T20:50:38Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > So maybe there’s another possibility: exaggeration As I said earlier it is also possible that people are not behaving in a way _you_ would expect. They are reacting to the end of American Democracy (and possibly death camps) the way _they_ think makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fascism-hope-lessness-and-trumps-america/1011150/183 "2024-12-20T21:20:52Z")
IMO “hunkering down armed” is much less likely to be a successful strategy than moving to an area where you can count on your neighbors not plotting to harm you. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fascism-hope-lessness-and-trumps-america/1011150/184 "2024-12-20T21:37:37Z")
I’m armed and live remote. I’m about to retire. I have enough money, provided that the economy is not utterly and completely destroyed and a loaf of bread costs $100. And that those greedy fucks don’t manage to get to my money. I’m well diversified though, and own my own home car etc. And hopefully they will not be able to get to that. What worries me (and I’m being selfish) is health care. I could see them pushing Medicare up to 70, and throwing a wrench in our already screwed up health care system. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fascism-hope-lessness-and-trumps-america/1011150.md?page=9)