# Fast Food "Nastyness"—featuring Shiva418 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 17, 2003, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753 "2003-08-17T11:43:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753/121 "2003-08-20T04:52:08Z")
I’m done guys - I’m not defending myself anymore to you assclowns - you’re not worth my trouble. (BTW Jeff - I think bonobos are cool. However, these two clowns remind me of a pair of [sifakas](http://www.duke.edu/web/primate/sifaka.html).) ---
**Author:** ![I\_can\_t\_believe\_that\_s\_butter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/8edcca/32.png) [@I\_can\_t\_believe\_that\_s\_butter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_can_t_believe_that_s_butter)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753/122 "2003-08-20T05:02:44Z")
You accuse me of having a resemblance to a sifaka? How silly! 😃 Anyway, this seems to end the hijack somewhere around here, and that’s certainly welcome. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753/123 "2003-08-20T05:05:48Z")
Actually **Joe** , they’re more [fluffy](http://www.duke.edu/web/primate/graphics/prop/b7870.jpg) than silly… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753/124 "2003-08-20T07:04:02Z")
I’d still like a link for YOUR accusation there, alice. Shouldn’t be too hard for you to find, right, after all you said _threads_. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753/125 "2003-08-20T13:13:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Joe K \* > \*\*But, the way I see it, Monty wasn’t merely addressing alice ( **who is somewhat excused really, IMHO, thanks to both her overall maturity at the time and her repentance, as well as other minor factors** ), but to anyone else who may have willfully ignored such poor behavior as altering food. \*\* I know you posted this earlier, **Joe**. And it’s still wrong. When you first posted it, it was wrong because you hadn’t bothered to ask Alice for all the facts, and now it’s wrong because she’s GIVEN you the facts and you post it again. **Alice** prevented the nasty sandwich from being served, prevented the spat-in-drink from being served. How does that equal “willfully ignor[ing] such poor behavior as altering food”? You don’t need to apologize for projecting bad feeling her way. You need to apologize for calling her immature, for saying incorrectly disparaging things about what she did, based on **Monty’s** erroneous assumptions about her behavior. An apology for being condescending and patronizing would be nice, too. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753/126 "2003-08-20T15:01:19Z")
There were no erroneous assumptions, Daniel. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753/127 "2003-08-20T15:42:12Z")
Monty, _ **YOU** _ are an erroneous assumption. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753/128 "2003-08-20T21:59:14Z")
So, alice, you’re saying you’re not going to provide any links? ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753/129 "2003-08-20T22:13:33Z")
I think I was pretty clear that all I would be providing to this thread from this point on was references to various monkeys. [This](http://www.dallas-zoo.org/featured/featured.asp?page=wl) guy is kinda fun. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753/130 "2003-08-20T22:25:50Z")
Well, I’m not a monkey. So we’ve pretty well established that you care not a whit about honesty. YOU made an accusation against me which is unsupportable & when I challenged you to support that accusation, you pull this stunt. Somehow, I don’t see any of your behaviour as all that commendable. So, bitch; “put up or shut up.” ---
**Author:** ![deb2world](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7cd45c/32.png) [@deb2world](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deb2world)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753/131 "2003-08-20T23:35:56Z")
Wow, an interesting thread, which could have been “Fighting Ignorance” has turned into only a mud slinging contest. Over what, nothing as I see it. Now egos are on the line. Rather than adults stepping up to the plate and backing away, I have a feeling this thread will sink much lower. R.I.P to “Fighting Ignorance”, viva la hijack! ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2003, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753/132 "2003-08-20T23:47:05Z")
Hey Monty: “Woof.” ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2003, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753/133 "2003-08-21T01:12:05Z")
Ok, I just snooped around. Monty has never accused me of the food thing before - I misremembered. So - Monty, I’m sorry I said that we had this conversation before. We haven’t. It was somewhere else with someone else. I apologize for my error in memory. That being said, your first post to me still comes across as accusatory when I read it. However, given my misremembrance, I was probably just projecting. Sorry 'bout that. And sorry I called you a bonobo. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2003, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753/134 "2003-08-21T02:18:49Z")
alice: Well, my initial reaction after reading your last post was “Tough if you think it comes across as accusatory.” I think that what you provided in your original desicription of the event is exactly what I described. You now recognize that. Perhaps you weren’t happy about leaving out some actions or details either when it happened way back when or when you related the instance here. **That’s cool and I’m glad to see the apology from you.** I also apologize for the numerous times I’ve called you bitch here. Apparently, though, you had some fun with it, given the “woof” posting above. And thanks for obviously taking the effort to do a search of the entire board–that’s certainly an effort sometimes when the site’s slow! deb: The BBQ Pit is (in)famous for shall we say insistent postings. And some of us don’t take lies to be “nothing at all.” Please notice that alice apologized for her erroneous statement. It seems to me that she doesn’t take falsehoods as “nothing at all” either, otherwise she wouldn’t have done the search or made the apology IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2003, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753/135 "2003-08-21T02:27:30Z")
Drat! alice: I left out one sentence after the “my intial reaction” sentence above. Please add: > [@](#): > > Let’s not either of us take that tact now, okay? Inserting that now makes the whole posting make (more) sense. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2003, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753/136 "2003-08-21T02:34:40Z")
Drat! alice: I left out one sentence after the “my intial reaction” sentence above. Please add: > [@](#): > > Let’s not either of us take that tact now, okay? Inserting that now makes the whole posting make (more) sense. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2003, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753/137 "2003-08-21T02:39:48Z")
Drat! alice: I left out one sentence after the “my intial reaction” sentence above. Please add: > [@](#): > > Let’s not either of us take that tact now, okay? Inserting that now makes the whole posting make (more) sense. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2003, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753/138 "2003-08-21T02:52:48Z")
Well, I _STILL_ read your initial post as rather agressive; however, I do remember that that tends to be your style - shoot from the hip, so to speak. It’s all good. Anyhoo… Woof! 😃 (Can you tell this is not the first time I’ve been called a bitch? Ah well - some people consider it a compliment.) ---
**Author:** ![deb2world](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7cd45c/32.png) [@deb2world](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deb2world)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2003, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753/139 "2003-08-21T02:55:56Z")
Monty you had derailed this thread long before the assertion by Alice that you had accused of stuff before. Yes it was proper of Alice to apologize. But it sure as heck wasn’t proper for you to act like an ass and hound her. I continue to come to this site to interact (but in my case mostly just read) in interesting discussions. What happened in this thread was you got a stupid bone to chew on that was a hijack. You wouldn’t put that bone down. Interesting discussion STOPPED cause you would not listen to reasonable dialog. You didn’t stop knawing on that bone. Those of us who were hoping to learn something by this discussion just got bored by you. Now you can jump all over me, but I am big enough to have had my say and leave it be. Can’t you just grow up too. ---
**Author:** ![deb2world](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7cd45c/32.png) [@deb2world](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deb2world)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2003, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753/140 "2003-08-21T02:56:40Z")
Monty you had derailed this thread long before the assertion by Alice that you had accused of stuff before. Yes it was proper of Alice to apologize. But it sure as heck wasn’t proper for you to act like an ass and hound her about her initial post. I continue to come to this site to interact (but in my case mostly just read) in interesting discussions. What happened in this thread was you got a stupid bone to chew on that was a hijack. You wouldn’t put that bone down. Interesting discussion STOPPED cause you would not listen to reasonable dialog. You didn’t stop knawing on that bone. Those of us who were hoping to learn something by this discussion just got bored by you. Now you can jump all over me, but I am big enough to have had my say and leave it be. Can’t you just grow up too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fast-food-nastyness-featuring-shiva418/195753.md?page=8)