# Fat is ugly? Well, yes. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 4, 2001, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397 "2001-11-04T03:46:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2001, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397/101 "2001-11-04T16:45:08Z")
A) "Some people have the metabolisim to deal with whatever food they want, and it causes them problem zero. If you’re one of these people, consider yourself blessed. If you’re not one of these people, you know it’s bloody hard to watch your 145 lb co-workers cram a half dozen large sweet rolls(Each!) in a meeting while you choke back your small, dry, nasty bran muffin with plain water." SOME PEOPLE. _ **SOME PEOPLE** _. Thought I said THIS in my post. Hello. Way to not read. B) “Hama, how does one tell the difference by looking if someone is fat and healthy and fat with health problems as a result of being fat? I want to know so I can tell who it’s ok to consider “ugly.” And how about someone who’s skinny and healthy versus skinny and unhealthy?” Hrm. I can’t tell by looking. I don’t recall having said that I could. Way for YOU to not read, too. “So was I ugly or not?” Read my post. Re-read yours. Read mine again. Re-read yours again. I think I answered this question before you asked it. Man, I can see why people get off on trolling…there are some people who will ignore anything they have to if it means they’ll get a shot in. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2001, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397/102 "2001-11-04T17:04:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mouthbreather \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Sterra \* > > \*\ ***mouthbreather** If he was just going to state an opinion why did he make a pit thread? He thought that someone who thought that saying fat wasn’t ugly was bad enough to start a pit thread over. He is saying “I define the standard of beauty” and does not like the idea of someone thinking that fat people are beautiful. \*\* > > I disagree. I think he wanted to voice his (unpopular) opinion, and had the foresight that the 3rd or 4th poster would tell him to “rot in hell”, so he posted it in the pit, where it would wind up anyway. \*\* That’s the only reason I posted in the Pit to begin with. > [@](#): > > \*\* > Marc, if you are actually saying that you are mad that someone may find fat people attractive, then speak up and I will step down from this and apologize to everyone in this discussion for misunderstanding your post. \*\* Of course I’m not mad. Why would I be mad? Marc ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2001, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397/103 "2001-11-04T17:12:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Mermaid \* > \*\*My my my! MGibson, were you just bored last night and wanted to get a reaction out of people or are you really as ignorant as a person would have to be to think his opinion matters more than anyone else’s. \*\* Well it might surprise you to find out that I think my opinion matters more then yours. I mean it is my life after all so why wouldn’t I care more about my opinion then I would others? > [@](#): > > \*\* > Before you group me in the “angry fatties” I’d like to say Yes, I’m overweight but No I’m not mad. I would have to care about your opinion for it to make me mad. \*\* Well apparantly you cared so little you simply had to post a reply. And of course you’re so ignorant as to think that your opinion is more important then mine. > [@](#): > > \*\* > I’m more puzzled as to why you would even start something like this? Oh I get it. It’s one of those any attention-even if it is bad attention-is better than none at all things. Right? Am I right? If the shoe fits… \*\* Oh yeah, I’ve got a history of started threads like these that just get all sorts of hits and get people riled up. You know so much about me. You must have taken psych 101 or something. > [@](#): > > \*\* > You seem like a pathetic shallow minded little man with an urgent need for attention and a distorted view of the value of his own opinion. Ok you don’t like “fat” people. I get it. You know what, I don’t care. I don’t care what you like or what you dislike. Why should I? Why should anyone? > > :yawn: \*\* You must care. You took the time to post a reply. People who don’t care don’t take the time to post replies. Marc ---
**Author:** ![Billy\_Rubin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/billy_rubin/32/3622_2.png) [@Billy\_Rubin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Billy_Rubin)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2001, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397/104 "2001-11-04T17:19:32Z")
Since your post hadn’t yet appeared when I was writing mine, **way to be a moron, microcephalus. I can’t read something that doesn’t exist yet** You completely mistakenly assume that my post was a response to yours, which it was not. You thought “Eating ourselves to death” was ORIGINAL WITH YOU? I’ve only heard that about a billion times. It is mere coincidence that I happened to post it briefly after you said nearly the same thing, which, had I SEEN IT, I would have quoted referencing you. Believe me, I wouldn’t have missed the opportunity. Since I didn’t see your post first, and since you decided to jump in and accuse people of not reading before they post, let me clarify something for you, since you didn’t READ it first: > [@](#): > > \*\* > > If you don’t know, firsthand, what it is like, you could have some compassion, try to be understanding, try to understand, try to help, or, maybe, just SHUT THE FUCK UP. > \*\* Way to **NOT READ**. Got a weight problem? have you been morbidly obese? No? No idea what it’s like to deal with the problem? **SHUT THE FUCK UP** Some people \*\*SOME \*\* people, do in fact read. Apparently, you do not. And Mgibson, I have no beef if you don’t find fat people attractive. Hell, I don’t find myself particularly attractive. Either try to understand that it’s not a choice most fat people would willingly make, and it’s never as simple as making a choice anyway, or, well, **SHUT THE FUCK UP** 😉 And try to have a sense of humor, futhuchrissakes. I love a fat joke. I invented most of them, and a lot of the rest were written about me. b. [sub][sub]whose momma always told him, if you don’t have something nice to say, then **SHUT THE FUCK UP!** [/sub][/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2001, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397/105 "2001-11-04T17:41:52Z")
“Since your post hadn’t yet appeared when I was writing mine, way to be a moron, microcephalus. I can’t read something that doesn’t exist yet.” Since I’m not a remarkable psychic with the ability to tell that a post which appeared 14 minutes after mine and appeared to reference a couple of points I had made wasn’t actually a response to me, **way to be reactionary, bozo.**. “You thought “Eating ourselves to death” was ORIGINAL WITH YOU?” Nope. But, like I said, your post was immediately after mine and appeared to reference things I had said because it, you know, **appeared after mine**. “It is mere coincidence that I happened to post it briefly after you said nearly the same thing, which, had I SEEN IT, I would have quoted referencing you. Believe me, I wouldn’t have missed the opportunity.” So you’re pissed…because I assumed you had quoted me…which you hadn’t…but if you’d seen mine…you would have quoted it. What? But I think the world revolved around me…because even though that wasn’t a one-shot original quote by me, you would have quoted it…dude, this is just too circular for me. "If you don’t know, firsthand, what it is like, you could have some compassion, try to be understanding, try to understand, try to help, or, maybe, just SHUT THE FUCK UP. Way to NOT READ." I have had compassion, I have understood, and I have done what I could to help the couple of friends of mine who are/were **morbidly obese**. Since you say it’s “either/or,” well, I’ve done one, so I guess I don’t need to do the other. So no, although your invitation is tempting and eloquently offered, I’m not going to “shut the fuck up.” I can’t shut the “fuck” up, as I have no control over your keyboard. “And try to have a sense of humor, futhuchrissakes. I love a fat joke. I invented most of them, and a lot of the rest were written about me.” Sorry I don’t find anything particularly amusing about people who are **morbidly obese** , that is to say, **people who will die if they don’t change their habits**. I mean, I smoke. It’s unhealthy. But I don’t tell people who tell me I should quit that they should shut the fuck up. It’s a goddamned hard habit to break. It’s really bad for me. Eventually it could kill me. That’s pretty ugly. However, I don’t tell people who have never smoked that they should go to hell, and how there isn’t much help if I can’t afford a doctor to help me quit, and how everyone else needs to **shut the fuck up** about how bad smoking is for me. I listen, thank them (or ignore them, depending on situation/ability), and I go on with my life. Ugly isn’t all about LOOKS, or people couldn’t SAY **ugly** THINGS. When we do things that endanger our health, it is UGLY. The fact that I smoke is UGLY. The fact that you (or whomever) is **morbidly obese** is UGLY. The fact that people get cirrhosis of the liver from drinking too much is UGLY. ---
**Author:** ![Billy\_Rubin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/billy_rubin/32/3622_2.png) [@Billy\_Rubin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Billy_Rubin)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2001, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397/106 "2001-11-04T17:47:23Z")
Pity. You seemed like someone who might get it. b. Whoosh!!! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mermaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@The\_Mermaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mermaid)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2001, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397/107 "2001-11-04T17:47:46Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by MGibson > Well it might surprise you to find out that **I** think **my** opinion matters more then yours. **I** mean it is **my** life after all so why wouldn’t **I** care more about **my** opinion then **I** would others? Bolding Mine: Anyone see a pattern here? Can we say self-centered? > [@](#): > > Well apparantly you cared so little you simply had to post a reply. And of course you’re so ignorant as to think that your opinion is more important then mine. Did I say my opinion was more important than yours? I don’t think so. I’m saying your opinion is not more important than mine. I admit it was pretty ignorant of me to think I could teach you the difference. > [@](#): > > Oh yeah, I’ve got a history of started threads like these that just get all sorts of hits and get people riled up. You know so much about me. You must have taken psych 101 or something. It doesn’t matter what my educational background is. It doesn’t take a genius (or a psych major)to recognize when someone is behaving like a troll. Just because you have no history of this behavior doesn’t nullify what it is. > [@](#): > > You must care. You took the time to post a reply. People who don’t care don’t take the time to post replies. > > Marc OK one last time, I don’t care what your opinion is, it is only relevant to you and you alone. I care that you are trying to imply that yours is the only true and correct opinion when that is certainly **not** the truth. Have you ever heard of tolerance,empathy or tact? Why not try to employ just a tad of these virtues instead of their polar opposites? ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2001, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397/108 "2001-11-04T17:55:28Z")
I think what MGibson was saying was, to **him** , **his** opinion is more important that **yours** or **anyone else’s**. I think he was trying to make a point about the word **opinion**. ---
**Author:** ![Billy\_Rubin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/billy_rubin/32/3622_2.png) [@Billy\_Rubin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Billy_Rubin)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2001, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397/109 "2001-11-04T17:55:56Z")
Sit back and relax with me, and enjoy the pleasant whooshing sound. Want a pretzel? They’re unsalted, but they taste OK anyway. b. ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2001, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397/110 "2001-11-04T18:03:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Billy Rubin \* > \*\*Sit back and relax with me, and enjoy the pleasant whooshing sound. Want a pretzel? They’re unsalted, but they taste OK anyway. > > b. \*\* Awwww. You’re so adorable. I’d offer to take you home and feed you but…well, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2001, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397/111 "2001-11-04T18:17:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Mermaid \* > \*\* > > Bolding Mine: Anyone see a pattern here? Can we say self-centered? \*\* How completely odd that someone would find their opinion to be more important then others. > [@](#): > > \*\* > Did I say my opinion was more important than yours? I don’t think so. I’m saying your opinion is not more important than mine. I admit it was pretty ignorant of me to think I could teach you the difference. \*\* You’ve said that you don’t care about my opinion. If you don’t care about it then that must mean my opinion is not important. I can only assume that you care about your own opinions. If true then that must mean you think your opinions, which you care about, are more important then my opinion. Either that or you think opinions are meaningless. > [@](#): > > \*\* > OK one last time, I don’t care what your opinion is, it is only relevant to you and you alone. I care that you are trying to imply that yours is the only true and correct opinion when that is certainly **not** the truth. \*\* Again I’m confused. You’re saying my opinion is only relevant to me and me alone. It must be relevant to you because you’re sitting here bitching about it. If it was relevant to me and me alone you wouldn’t care whether or not it was the truth. Marc ---
**Author:** ![Billy\_Rubin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/billy_rubin/32/3622_2.png) [@Billy\_Rubin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Billy_Rubin)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2001, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397/112 "2001-11-04T18:21:20Z")
chchchchngkkkk—uh what? was I snoring? the whooshing put me to sleep. b. ---
**Author:** ![JustPlainBryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/57b2e6/32.png) [@JustPlainBryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustPlainBryan)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2001, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397/113 "2001-11-04T18:48:26Z")
I wasn’t going to post anything before last night because I thought the thread was just plain dumb. But now this goddamn thread has affected me directly, so I’m going to vent. Last night I had everything planned. A log on the fireplace. Hot cocoa being made. The lights dimmed. Jazz music on the stereo. The house cleaned (I even cleaned the toilet for God’s sake, the **Toilet!** ). My GF mellow and in a lovey-dovey mood. In short I was getting ready for a wonderful night of, as Esprix would call it, playing tiddlywinks. Then she reads this thrice-damned thread. Thank you **MGibson**. Because of you I had to console my depressed GF till the wee hours of the morning. Thank you, you cantankerous piece of horseshit. Because of you, my entire evening was tossed asunder. Thank you, you lowest of all lifeforms. Because of you, I woke up this morning with all the wonderful effects of a hangover, but none of the booze! On behalf of myself, I would like to direct the following curses to **MGibson** : 1.) May you die being torn apart by wild dogs so you know the pain you have caused my GF. 2.) May you get cancer of the eyes so you never have to see a fat person again. 3.) May your sons and daughters all become morbidly obese so you can appreciate the irony of this thread 15 years from now. And on behalf of my girlfriend and myself, a big resounding **FUCK YOU!** I’m too angry to write anymore. I’m going to go out now and spend 40 dollars that I don’t have to buy flowers. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2001, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397/114 "2001-11-04T19:03:47Z")
**MGibson** , I am fucking laughing out loud at this thread. Of course, I noticed no one took me up on the “big is beautiful” challange, but oh well. We can’t expect people telling you what your opinion is to think clearly. Lets see if we can do some language transformations, disregarding, for now, the fact that your previous posts indicated some reflection which demonstrated that fat is not equated with ugly automatically, and just pretend that they are synonamous for a moment. “Fat is ugly.” Now, “fat” can be rather precisely defined (even if arbitrarily defined) as a matter of percentage of body fat for height and sex, for example. “Ugly,” however, is not itself so quantifiable. This is because it is a characteristic person A ascribes to person B based on a set of _personal prejudices_ regarding the continuum of beautiful\<==\>average\<==\>ugly and I suppose we could even stretch it more toward “goddess-like” (or god-like) and “hideous” but I trust that isn’t strictly necessary to demonstrate the following point. **All uses of “is ugly” must be implicitly followed by the subjective modifier “to me.”** Without doing so the phrase makes no sense. So we now have the following sentence to work with. “Fat is ugly to me.” Now, is anyone willing to take the stand that “ugly” can actually be quantified?— that is, does anyone feel that the “to me” subjective modifier is strictly unnecessary? That there is some universal standard of beauty we can set? It could be just as arbitrary as my definition for “fat” was, no need to call on biblical scripture or anything. I would just be interested in seeing a quantifiable measure of “beauty” so I can appreciate this conversation more by knowing what the fuck is going on here. Otherwise, and I think most fatties (I myself am slightly overweight) can agree: **fat is considered ugly**. Marc, you don’t have an unpopular opinion. I can’t get a date to save my life. I realize this is because of my appearance. Anyone who told me, “ **erl** , you lose a few pounds and I’d go out with you” would spur me into action. But they won’t. Why? I have no fucking idea. It is the truth; it is _his_ truth and _many other people’s_ truth. You fucking bastards in here are beating up Marc for telling it straight _despite_ knowing he would probably take some abuse for it. Well, thanks for nothing. Fucking McCarthyist doublespeak bastards. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2001, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397/115 "2001-11-04T19:03:57Z")
JustPlainBryan: You cleaned the **toilet**? I mean, the **TOILET???** Man! 😃 JustPlain - please don’t seriously wish anything so terrible on MGibson (like life-threatening diseases, etc.) I am sure you were not serious, but it’s bad Karma to wish such stuff on other people. (So sez I!) It’s bad enough that he’s missing out on a lot of beauty in this world. So - whatever. But yeah, I have to wonder why such a thread was needed. Who was it directed at? What was the point? What good has come from it? Did the fatties really need to be reminded that they are UGLY yet again? But…Marc did apologize. It’s also bad Karma to not acknowledge an apology. ---
**Author:** ![Wallenstein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b5a626/32.png) [@Wallenstein](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wallenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2001, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397/116 "2001-11-04T19:07:21Z")
**JustPlainBryan** - um, this is how you guys usually prepare for a blissfully luvdup evening…? Reading threads with titles like “Fat Is Ugly”?!? I’d have just stuck to the log-fire and groovy tunes meself, but whatever turns you on I guess… Seriously though, did you (or your GF) really think that reading threads in the Pit is the best way to get “in the mood”? When my young lady stops by of an evening I’m always under v. strict instructions to “unplug that bloody interweb thingy” (I don’t of course, but she don’t know that :)). – Quirm ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2001, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397/117 "2001-11-04T19:08:38Z")
Yeah **MGibson** , you deserve a painful death for stating your opinion, because fragile people like **JustPlainBryan** ’s GF might disagree and get upset. You could ruin a person’s day! Hey **JustPlainBryan** , maybe you should try to convince your GF to not get so worked up over a friggin’ internet message board? Just a thought. If she really gets so upset that she stays up all night, she should likely stay away from the BBQ pit and Great Debates. Some stuff I read pisses me off too, but I certainly never lost sleep over it, or needed consoling. ---
**Author:** ![JustPlainBryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/57b2e6/32.png) [@JustPlainBryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustPlainBryan)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2001, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397/118 "2001-11-04T19:18:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yosemitebabe \* > \*\*JustPlainBryan: > > You cleaned the **toilet**? I mean, the **TOILET???** > > Man! 😃 > > JustPlain - please don’t seriously wish anything so terrible on MGibson (like life-threatening diseases, etc.) I am sure you were not serious, but it’s bad Karma to wish such stuff on other people. (So sez I!) It’s bad enough that he’s missing out on a lot of beauty in this world. So - whatever. > > But yeah, I have to wonder why such a thread was needed. Who was it directed at? What was the point? What good has come from it? Did the fatties really need to be reminded that they are UGLY yet again? > > But…Marc did apologize. It’s also bad Karma to not acknowledge an apology. \*\* You’re right, **yosemitebabe**. I was just pissed off because I had a headache, I was sleep deprived, and was sick to my stomach. **MGibson** , I apologize, and I do take back my previous post. I don’t normally curse people, its just that today was the proper combination of many bad feelings. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mermaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@The\_Mermaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mermaid)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2001, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397/119 "2001-11-04T20:15:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MGibson \* > \*\*You’ve said that you don’t care about my opinion. If you don’t care about it then that must mean my opinion is not important. I can only assume that you care about your own opinions. If true then that must mean you think your opinions, which you care about, are more important then my opinion. Either that or you think opinions are meaningless. > Marc \*\* For a minute I thought you had missed the point until you got to the last line then you hit it right on the head. Good boy. ---
**Author:** ![Gomez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d78d45/32.png) [@Gomez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gomez)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2001, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397/120 "2001-11-04T20:29:12Z")
Sweet Christ this is a disgusting unholy mess of a thread. Someone needs to take it out back and shoot it in the head. Now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fat-is-ugly-well-yes/91397.md?page=7)