# Fatal attack at LGBTQ nightclub in Colorado springs, 20 Nov 2022 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [November 20, 2022, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260 "2022-11-20T14:34:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/81 "2022-11-23T04:11:57Z")
We sleep safely at night because rough men are ready to do violence on our behalf. You are right that we shouldn’t need them, but we train them for a reason. I think you are very right that the murderer wanted to “go out in a blaze of glory” and be remembered forever as the man who saved Denver from the drag queens who were grooming all the childrens of the world. Now he gets to spend the rest of his life remembering getting his ass kicked by a bunch of queer lovers. As to the Giffords shooting, responsible gun owners train as well and one of the big lessons we learn is to not shoot until you are sure of your target and the backdrop. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/82 "2022-11-23T06:22:46Z")
Here’s a link to the brewery run by Thomas Fierro’s wife. You can’t order the beer online from what I can see, but they do have merchandise. > **[Local Brewery | Atrevida Beer Co. | United States](https://www.atrevidabeerco.com/home)** > > Atrevida is challenging the standard definition of craft beer. We are a female forward, Veteran, Latin inspired brewery bringing new flavors to Colorado Springs. Featuring Jess Fierro the winner of Beerland Season 1. Our team is putting Diversity on... ---
**Author:** ![eburacum45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eburacum45/32/8690_2.png) [@eburacum45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eburacum45)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/83 "2022-11-23T10:03:11Z")
> [@JaneDoe42](#): > > We sleep safely at night because rough men are ready to do violence on our behalf And trans women. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/84 "2022-11-23T10:18:45Z")
Now another mass hooting, this one in Virginia. I cannot recall such a spate of mass killings. Perhaps it is holiday stress. [-=Link=-](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/7-people-dead-including-shooter-at-walmart-shooting-in-virginia-police/ar-AA14rxOE) ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/85 "2022-11-23T10:44:29Z")
> [@JaneDoe42](#): > > As to the Giffords shooting, responsible gun owners train as well and one of the big lessons we learn is to not shoot until you are sure of your target and the backdrop. A big problem with today’s gun culture in the US is that training is NOT required. Too many people walking around with too many guns who haven’t a clue what they’re doing. It’s all about “rights” and nothing about responsibility for those chuckleheads. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/86 "2022-11-23T11:10:40Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > A big problem with today’s gun culture in the US is that training is NOT required. Too many people walking around with too many guns who haven’t a clue what they’re doing. It’s all about “rights” and nothing about responsibility for those chuckleheads. I’m a huge proponent of firearms training, and I agree there are too many gunowners who lack it. But training shouldn’t be _required_, IMO, just highly encouraged. Training should never be required as a prerequisite for exercising a right, else it ceases to be a right. But this is not GD, so that’s all I’ll say about that. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/87 "2022-11-23T11:48:43Z")
I hear and understand your position, but no right is unlimited. As you say, this is not Great Debates so I will end here. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/88 "2022-11-23T13:39:50Z")
> [@JaneDoe42](#): > > the man who saved **Denver** from the drag queens Assumedly you meant Colorado Springs? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/89 "2022-11-23T14:10:01Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > Now another mass hooting, this one in Virginia. I cannot recall such a spate of mass killings. Perhaps it is holiday stress. > > [-=Link=-](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/7-people-dead-including-shooter-at-walmart-shooting-in-virginia-police/ar-AA14rxOE) Fyi, if you want to talk about that one, there’s a thread here > [@7 dead, including shooter, in mass shooting in Chesapeake, VA Walmart (Nov 22, 2022)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-dead-including-shooter-in-mass-shooting-in-chesapeake-va-walmart-nov-22-2022/975437): > > This one hits very close to home for me. For about a year, my family and I lived in a hotel very close to that Walmart, which is across the street from a Golden Corral. We used to go in there all the time. We’ve gone in there fairly recently, probably. It’s not all that far from Suffolk; it’s just on the opposite side of the river. Police are saying the shooter was a manager. 😢 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/90 "2022-11-23T16:14:40Z")
[https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/23/us/colorado-springs-club-q-shooting-wednesday/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/23/us/colorado-springs-club-q-shooting-wednesday/index.html) > Formal charges can be expected within about 10 days > Ahead of the hearing, attorneys for Aldrich submitted a court filing stating the suspect identifies as non-binary. > > “They use they-them pronouns, and for the purposes of all formal filings, will be addressed as Mx. Aldrich,” the court document noted. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/91 "2022-11-23T17:37:46Z")
Seems like a quick recovery for someone who’s been repeatedly pistol-whipped and stomped/kicked. As to identity and pronouns, a) we’ll see what collateral reports and internet presence tell us; b) it’s stll a hate crime if you kill others in your minority group. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/92 "2022-11-23T17:43:42Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > Perhaps it is holiday stress. I can’t respond properly to this without going political, so I will have to satisfy myself with saying this is a smug and blandly self-satisfied suggestion. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/93 "2022-11-23T19:42:49Z")
I couldn’t summarize this if I tried. Wow. Just … Wow [**NSFW - LANGUAGE AND REFERENCES TO PORNOGRAPHY**]: [**Porn-Star Dad of LGBT Club Massacre Suspect Spews Homophobia in First Interview (yahoo.com)**](https://news.yahoo.com/pornstar-dad-lgbt-club-massacre-190625556.html) ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/94 "2022-11-23T19:46:32Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > > Ahead of the hearing, attorneys for Aldrich submitted a court filing stating the suspect identifies as non-binary. > > > “They use they-them pronouns, and for the purposes of all formal filings, will be addressed as Mx. Aldrich,” the court document noted. I can’t help but wonder if _they_ are trolling. Mass murder being strong evidence of bad faith IMHO. But on the bright side, it’s a chance to demonstrate to bigots just how easy it is to refer to someone as _they_ prefer. Oh, and I do hope they enjoy prison. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/95 "2022-11-23T19:49:11Z")
You learn that your son was at a gay nightclub, and are relieved when you find out it wasn’t because he is gay, but because he is a mass murderer. That’s pretty messed up. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/96 "2022-11-23T20:33:37Z")
OTOH, knowing your father would / did hate you to your core if he knew what you are would have to have been a pretty corrosive coming of age experience for the kid. I wonder how much the kid was filled with self-loathing versus filled with father-loathing versus generic gay-loathing. One thing’s for sure, there is a lot of hate in one compact spot at his home address. We may not have the Hater-in-Chief from that address in custody. Yet. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/97 "2022-11-23T22:08:12Z")
I just … well … I like the cut of this guy’s jib (first 2m37s): **Let’s call it NSFW - Language** [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/i_KEK-vshvo/maxresdefault.jpg "Liberal Redneck - The Results of Rhetoric") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_KEK-vshvo) ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/98 "2022-11-23T22:15:00Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > I couldn’t summarize this if I tried. Wow. Just … Wow [**NSFW - LANGUAGE AND REFERENCES TO PORNOGRAPHY**]: > > [**Porn-Star Dad of LGBT Club Massacre Suspect Spews Homophobia in First Interview (yahoo.com)**](https://news.yahoo.com/pornstar-dad-lgbt-club-massacre-190625556.html) A Mormon porn star? Life imitates South Park! ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/99 "2022-11-23T23:18:33Z")
That’s insane. You have to wonder what kind of environment the shooter grew up in. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/100 "2022-11-23T23:30:54Z")
In this case, he probably knew all his victims, because he was a manager! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260.md?page=6)