# Fatal attack at LGBTQ nightclub in Colorado springs, 20 Nov 2022 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [November 20, 2022, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260 "2022-11-20T14:34:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/101 "2022-11-23T23:50:44Z")
I saw an interview with the “dad.” He sounded like he was brain-damaged (which, as an MMA fighter, he probably is). [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/lc8zneuWnUA/maxresdefault.jpg "Club Q shooting suspect changed name in 2016, saying he wanted to protect himself from father") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc8zneuWnUA) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/0NOqqKQM0HM/hqdefault.jpg "Father of accused Colorado Springs club shooter speaks out") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NOqqKQM0HM) There was a video, shortly after he was identified, which went into some detail about his parents’ criminal records, but I can’t find it now. This person didn’t have a chance. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/102 "2022-11-24T00:16:28Z")
The mother seems to have her own troubled past: > **[Club Q suspect's mother had a past of her own](https://sports.yahoo.com/club-q-suspects-mother-had-045900121.html)** > > The mother of Anderson Lee Aldrich, the suspect in the Club Q shooting, has three outstanding warrants for her arrest out of California and an arson charge out of Bexar Yeah. It’s heartbreaking. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/103 "2022-11-24T03:58:27Z")
Shooter identified himself as non-binary to the court system. I’m thinking maybe he couldn’t find another person interested in dating him. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/104 "2022-11-24T04:19:36Z")
Barring evidence they identified as non binary prior to the attack, I suspect their lawyer is making this up in a trolling bid to gain sympathy and attack progressive values, but we’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/105 "2022-11-24T04:40:39Z")
The suspect looks terrible. Can’t say I have a huge amount of empathy. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/106 "2022-11-24T04:47:09Z")
Here is where it might be helpful to distinguish between empathy and sympathy. Because I _do_ have empathy, in the sense that I am sure they are in a lot of pain and discomfort and are probably an absolute mess right now, having got the shit beat out of them at a LGBTQ nightclub. But far from feeling _sympathy_ for them, I am _quite pleased_ to know they are going to have to deal with their very painful and obvious (but in no way life-shortening) injuries while knowing they are a complete failure and their life is actually _worse_ than over right now. With any luck, it wont _actually_ be over for a long, long time. And they can sit and think about what utter garbage they are until they either die and/or feel genuine remorse (hey, I can dream, can’t I?). ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/107 "2022-11-24T05:10:04Z")
Moderating: > [@Magiver](#): > > Shooter identified himself as non-binary to the court system. I’m thinking maybe he couldn’t find another person interested in dating him. While it’s okay to question whether this person is really non-binary, it’s not okay to casually misgender them by using “he” pronouns. Also, the brunt of your comment is an insult to non-binary people. (Although a confused one, as non-binary people date men, women, and other non-binary people, just like everyone else.) Please try to stay respectful to the non-binary among us. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/108 "2022-11-24T05:26:17Z")
Sperm donor update: Aaron Brink has been on both “Intervention” and “Divorce Court.” Both episodes are available online in the unlikely event that anyone might want to see them. He sounds like a wannabe reality show participant. ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/109 "2022-11-24T05:38:50Z")
No empathy or sympathy from me. I’m glad they fucked him up and I hope he suffers for the rest of his life. The mental health care system in the US is seriously broken, I understand this. I know that the murderer was seriously broken. If he didn’t know that walking into crowded bar and shooting people was wrong, why was he wearing body armor? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/110 "2022-11-24T09:25:55Z")
> [@JaneDoe42](#): > > If he didn’t know that walking into crowded bar and shooting people was wrong, why was he wearing body armor? - He knew it was wrong to be shot. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/111 "2022-11-24T09:33:01Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Barring evidence they identified as non binary prior to the attack, I suspect their lawyer is making this up in a trolling bid to gain sympathy and attack progressive values, but we’ll see. I’ve seen this suggested and it is a possibility. I don’t know anything about the lawyers, or why they’d try to do that, but here we are. It’s also possible the kid was/is non-binary but was afraid to come out (see the interview with the father to gain some understanding why that might be the case) but now they’re locked up an accused of mass murder no longer feel they have anything to lose. And they don’t have to worry about dad beating the shit out of them in an attempt to beat out the gay so they can come out now. I mean, we’re talking about a man whose more relieved his kid isn’t gay than upset at the fact the kid killed a bunch of people. Or maybe the young person/their lawyers are somehow convinced that if they’re LGBTQ themself it will get them out of the hate crime charges (it won’t). Someone who knew the shooter beforehand stated they didn’t think/had no knowledge of the person being non-binary. On the other hand, being in the closet is a thing. I don’t know what to believe here and await further information. > [@susan](#): > > The suspect looks terrible. Can’t say I have a huge amount of empathy. I am strangely not upset by that. > [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Sperm donor update: Aaron Brink has been on both “Intervention” and “Divorce Court.” Both episodes are available online in the unlikely event that anyone might want to see them. Is he equally rambling and mumbling in those episodes as in recent interviews? I wonder if the man has some sort of brain damage between being hit in the head during an MMA career and the drugs. > [@nearwildheaven](#): > > He sounds like a wannabe reality show participant. Actually, he IS a reality show participant, having appeared on those two shows. Give him credit for fulfilling an ambition I guess. He’s just not the sort that gets invited to nice parties. > [@JaneDoe42](#): > > The mental health care system in the US is seriously broken, I understand this. I know that the murderer was seriously broken. I don’t think they ever had a chance to be whole given the environment in which they grew up, but at this point they’re a very clearly a danger to other people. They should have had help long before, but they didn’t. Now, at best, they’ll spend the rest of their life in prison where they won’t get help either. It’s tragic, but I find it difficult to care given the dead and maimed. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2022, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/112 "2022-11-26T04:38:01Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > I saw an interview with the “dad.” He sounded like he was brain-damaged (which, as an MMA fighter, he probably is). > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc8zneuWnUA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc8zneuWnUA) > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NOqqKQM0HM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NOqqKQM0HM) > > There was a video, shortly after he was identified, which went into some detail about his parents’ criminal records, but I can’t find it now. This person didn’t have a chance. My girlfriend showed me the video of the dad to get my opinion on what drugs the guy is on. I said it seems like TBI to me. Looks like I was right. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/113 "2022-12-06T17:13:15Z")
Threats from “Proud Boys” are getting drag shows canceled. > **[Drag show in San Antonio among several canceled nationally due to ongoing...](https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/12/06/drag-show-in-san-antonio-among-several-canceled-nationally-due-to-ongoing-threats/)** > > A night of entertainment at a local venue on San Antonio’s West Side was canceled Saturday for safety reasons after threats by so-called anti-LGBTQ+ extremists. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260/114 "2022-12-06T17:16:51Z")
[https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/us/club-q-shooting-suspect-charges/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/us/club-q-shooting-suspect-charges/index.html) > The suspected gunman accused of killing five people in a mass shooting at an LGBTQ nightclub in Colorado Springs, Colorado, last month has been formally charged with 305 counts, including charges of first-degree murder, attempted murder, assault and bias-motivated crimes. 305 counts. Hot damn! Whelp, I’m 99% certain they won’t get the death penalty, and consecutive life sentences without parole are meaningless, but I do admit a certain morbid curiosity. Not that it will bring back the loved ones taken by the schmuck, but at least we can expect he’ll never be able to hurt any more innocents. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fatal-attack-at-lgbtq-nightclub-in-colorado-springs-20-nov-2022/975260.md?page=5)