# Father outs son to class, incites them to beat him, watches, smiles **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 22, 2004, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490 "2004-02-22T08:38:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/1 "2004-02-22T08:38:06Z")
[365Gay.com](http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/02/022204jamaica.htm): > [@](#): > > A Jamaican teen was beaten unconscious by a schoolyard gang after his own father stirred up the students claiming his son is gay. > > The father went to the Dunoon Park Technical High School in east Kingston and began yelling in Jamaican slang that his son is gay and that the other students should teach him a lesson. He said he had found pictures of nude men in the boy’s school bag. > > Jamaica is notoriously homophobic, and the home of several rap singers whose music has been the subject on demonstrations by gay activists in Britain. > > The students tore boards off benches on the playground and began beating the 11th grade student while his father allegedly looked on smiling and then drove off. I just… fuck. What does a person think? What do they have to be thinking to incite mob violence against their own child? How could this possibly be enough to make someone lose their mind to that extent? Fuck. ---
**Author:** ![RandomLetters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8edcca/32.png) [@RandomLetters](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandomLetters)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/2 "2004-02-22T08:51:34Z")
> [@matt\_mcl](#): > > [365Gay.com](http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/02/022204jamaica.htm): > I just… > > fuck. > > What does a person think? What do they have to be thinking to incite mob violence against their own child? How could this possibly be enough to make someone lose their mind to that extent? > > Fuck. The father was probably thinking “I really don’t like gay people. I don’t want my son to be one of them. Maybe violence will solve the problem.” ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/3 "2004-02-22T08:54:00Z")
An endemic attitude, unfortunately. I have heard a Jamaican fella publicly declare that he would kill his own son if he “turned gay.” Not talking about a hypothetical son, either… the man was a father of three boys, all under six. The argument that was developing divided along a distinct cultural line, with other Jamaican men supporting the idea of infanticde (teenicide?) for gay kids. This was in an enclosed space that we were obliged to spend a full day in. Fucking miserable time, that was. These were Rastafarian folk, so there’s that extra level of fundamentalist religiosity fucking with 'em. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/4 "2004-02-22T08:55:47Z")
> [@RandomLetters](#): > > The father was probably thinking “I really don’t like gay people. I don’t want my son to be one of them. Maybe violence will solve the problem.” Yeah, that’s pretty much what I figured. Doesn’t make it any more comprehensible to me, though. ☹ :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Suzene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7cd45c/32.png) [@Suzene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suzene)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/5 "2004-02-22T10:33:03Z")
The firing squad is too good for some people. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/6 "2004-02-22T13:49:56Z")
If Jamaica truly is that hostile a place for homosexuals, then perhaps the father’s actions were rooted in love. A couple of years from now, that kid will be on his own. If it was his roommate or co-worker that found pictures of naked men in the young man’s desk…well, we all know too well what happened to Matthew Shepherd. MGRHS. So _maybe_ the father was being cruel to be kind. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/7 "2004-02-22T13:56:22Z")
If I had a father who “loved” me that much, I sure wouldn’t want one who hated me. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/8 "2004-02-22T15:00:32Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > If Jamaica truly is that hostile a place for homosexuals, then perhaps the father’s actions were rooted in love. A couple of years from now, that kid will be on his own. If it was his roommate or co-worker that found pictures of naked men in the young man’s desk…well, we all know too well what happened to Matthew Shepherd. MGRHS. > > So _maybe_ the father was being cruel to be kind. I refuse to even _consider_ this explanation, and find it disgusting that the word “love” can be so abused. The father set his son up to be killed, dammit! With a father like that, in a couple of years the son won’t be on his own-he’ll be buried in an unmarked grave. I cannot accept that love had anything at all to do with the father’s actions. What I see instead is hatred, ignorance and ego. ---
**Author:** ![Soul\_Brother\_Number\_Two](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/soul_brother_number_two/32/3515_2.png) [@Soul\_Brother\_Number\_Two](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soul_Brother_Number_Two)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/9 "2004-02-22T15:44:47Z")
Aw shit. What’s gonna happen to that poor kid? ---
**Author:** ![Governor\_Quinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d26b3c/32.png) [@Governor\_Quinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Governor_Quinn)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/10 "2004-02-22T16:11:22Z")
Only one thing needs to be said: Some people are truly evil. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/11 "2004-02-22T16:46:37Z")
> [@](#): > > If Jamaica truly is that hostile a place for homosexuals, then perhaps the father’s actions were rooted in love. A couple of years from now, that kid will be on his own. If it was his roommate or co-worker that found pictures of naked men in the young man’s desk…well, we all know too well what happened to Matthew Shepherd. MGRHS. You and Annie Wilkes have a lot in common–“I love you, Paul” WHACK! Love means defending your kid, accpeting him for who he is, maybe starting a Jamaican chapter of PFLAG. Possibly the father could arrange for the kid to study in the US. Urging other students to hurt your child merely becuase he’s gay is not love, it’s hate fueled by bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![zephyrine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/35a633/32.png) [@zephyrine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zephyrine)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/12 "2004-02-22T16:52:29Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > If Jamaica truly is that hostile a place for homosexuals, then perhaps the father’s actions were rooted in love. A couple of years from now, that kid will be on his own. If it was his roommate or co-worker that found pictures of naked men in the young man’s desk…well, we all know too well what happened to Matthew Shepherd. MGRHS. > > So _maybe_ the father was being cruel to be kind. Oh. So that makes it ok then. WTF?? ---
**Author:** ![Elza\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Elza\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elza_B)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/13 "2004-02-22T20:15:33Z")
I don’t get it. I don’t get it at all. People like this become parents without a problem so that they can torment and abuse their children, yet some people who should be parents are unable to do so. Where’s the fairness in that? Ava ---
**Author:** ![Priam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/77aa72/32.png) [@Priam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Priam)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/14 "2004-02-22T20:42:20Z")
Fuckers. Just… my god. At least one teacher had the balls to do something about it, was willing to take hits for the poor boy. Still, THIS part pisses me off: > [@](#): > > At least a dozen students were taken to a police station but were not charged. A police spokesperson said they were given a stern warning and released. No charges were laid against the father. Police said it was a family issue. WHAT. THE. HELL? A _stern warning_ for beating a kid unconcious with every apparent attempt to kill him? No charges against the man who incited this violence on his own son? What THE FUCK is up with Jamaica? This is just… ugh. Words fail me. ---
**Author:** ![Essured](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@Essured](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Essured)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/15 "2004-02-22T20:43:33Z")
Oh, that poor kid. ☹ What on earth do you do when the whole world torments you and your own parent is the ringleader? Where do you turn? I just hope he makes it out of that shitty environment and finds peace and happiness. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/16 "2004-02-22T22:26:20Z")
Jamaica sounds like a good place _not_ to make vacation plans for. Why put money into the economy of a place like that? ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2004, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/17 "2004-02-23T02:45:18Z")
☹ I cannot understand. I would attack any child who tried to beat My son. This is so not normal. And religious folk say their claiming gayness is a sin doesn’t incite violence. I bet it does. ---
**Author:** ![Never\_Have\_I\_Because\_I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@Never\_Have\_I\_Because\_I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Never_Have_I_Because_I)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2004, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/18 "2004-02-23T03:23:28Z")
Did he die? ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2004, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/19 "2004-02-23T03:35:39Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > If Jamaica truly is that hostile a place for homosexuals, then perhaps the father’s actions were rooted in love… So _maybe_ the father was being cruel to be kind. "Son, it’s important to me that you know the world can be a very cruel and inhuman place. People can be violent towards anyone they don’t fully understand, no matter what the difference is. Like this, for example. Hey, kids! Over here! My son is a fucking _FAGGOT_!" Yeah, common sense by the fuckload there. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2004, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/20 "2004-02-23T03:40:13Z")
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