# Father outs son to class, incites them to beat him, watches, smiles **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 22, 2004, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490 "2004-02-22T08:38:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![LogicinMotion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d07c76/32.png) [@LogicinMotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LogicinMotion)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/41 "2004-02-25T01:05:47Z")
_sigh_ Sadly this is not news to me. I’ve spent time as a youngster growing up in Liverpool (Toxteth) with many first generation rasterfarians straight from Jamaica mon, and they make their attitudes very clear. It’s hard to wrap your head around, but it’s how they think. I could also point to similar examples around Europe or further away but there’s not much point. People with small mindsets act in irrational manners. WHat’s new? Logic. ---
**Author:** ![DMark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DMark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMark)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/42 "2004-02-25T06:37:08Z")
I hope the boy heals soon. Then, I hope he rips off a drug lord and is able to pin it on his father…but only after he has gone to his father’s place of work and tells the co-workers his daddy had sex with the five year old daugher of the biggest, meanest man in daddy’s workforce. And then, while the boy is riding off on his bicycle, he too can smile and laugh as pops gets the shit beat out of him. I am normally not a vengeful person, but in this case, no punishment is severe enough for that sadistic, homophobic rat ass of a father. ---
**Author:** ![Coin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Coin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coin)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/43 "2004-02-25T07:57:14Z")
> [@j\_kat\_251](#): > > So, yeah. Please explain the heartache over one guy who got roughed up, rather than the lack of used Kleenexes for rape/landslide/earthquake/Cujo/mentally unstable samurai victims. You’re right. Let’s just all agree to not give a shit about man’s inhumanity to man until we figure out what the single worst thing ever to happen to someone was, and then we’ll only give a shit about that. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/44 "2004-02-25T08:04:17Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > Whoa, wait a minute. I didn’t say it was okay. I said that maybe, given the culture that they live in, the father _may_ have been ultimately trying to save his son from a Matthew Shepherd end. That doesn’t make it okay, but it makes the father’s actions a bit less vile. I mean, what would you do if you lived in a nation where gays were treated horribly, and you found pictures of naked men in your son’s desk? It would be agonizing. I’d say that’s pretty much the logical conclusion to the philosophy of “hate the sin, love the sinner.” Which is why I don’t see that proposition as being appreciably less biggoted than plain old “hate the sinner.” ---
**Author:** ![mystycalchyk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dbc845/32.png) [@mystycalchyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mystycalchyk)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/45 "2004-02-25T23:18:37Z")
> [@Priam](#): > > You self-involved, self-righteous shriveled-up, soulless little android spouting shit like it was fucking PEARLS of wisdom. I got news for you: shit may cause pearls, but it don’t turn into them. Get a clue, grow a heart, and kindly fuck off until then. May I, your resident lurker, pipe in here long enough to say that was beautifully said? Seriously, pure poetry. _goes back to reading_ ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/46 "2004-02-25T23:46:54Z")
> [@theR](#): > > Is there some reason you consider Rastafarians to have some “extra level of fundamentalist religiosity?” All the Rastafarians I’ve known have seemed completely in the mainstream to me when compared with people of other religions. Wow, you’ve hung out with some different Rastas than I have. (I used to do some tech stuff for a reggae band, so I often ended up with a sort of full-immersion experience.) For example, many of these guys wouldn’t even touch food brought into the green room by a woman, because she _might_ have been menstruating, and that’s a strict taboo. J I don’t know how mainstream that is. To be clear though, I meant an extra level of prejudice beyond what might be expected from average Jamaicans, and I base that observation on how much their arguments against homosexuality in general and in justification of killing “disobedient” children consisted of Old Testament references and claims that their “Overstanding” _required_ them to mete out God’s judgement, _especially_ within their own family. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Escorpio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@El\_Escorpio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Escorpio)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/47 "2004-02-26T01:17:13Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > Whoa, wait a minute. I didn’t say it was okay. I said that maybe, given the culture that they live in, the father _may_ have been ultimately trying to save his son from a Matthew Shepherd end. That doesn’t make it okay, but it makes the father’s actions a bit less vile. I mean, what would you do if you lived in a nation where gays were treated horribly, and you found pictures of naked men in your son’s desk? It would be agonizing. > > Of course, the father may just be a violent asshole. I’ll certainly concede that very likely possibility. Sort of reminds me of “A Boy Named Sue”, the Jamaican version. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/48 "2004-02-26T09:28:02Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > Whoa, wait a minute. I didn’t say it was okay. I said that maybe, given the culture that they live in, the father _may_ have been ultimately trying to save his son from a Matthew Shepherd end. That doesn’t make it okay, but it makes the father’s actions a bit less vile. 😕 Matthew Shepard was beaten and tortured. This father incited people to beat and torture his own son. You think that just because the kid’s classmates stopped short of killing him that he was “saved”? Sounds more to me like the father would have liked to kill the kid himself, but instead got other people to do his dirty work for him. ---
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/49 "2004-02-26T13:50:44Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > Wow, you’ve hung out with some different Rastas than I have. (I used to do some tech stuff for a reggae band, so I often ended up with a sort of full-immersion experience.) For example, many of these guys wouldn’t even touch food brought into the green room by a woman, because she _might_ have been menstruating, and that’s a strict taboo. J I don’t know how mainstream that is. > > To be clear though, I meant an extra level of prejudice beyond what might be expected from average Jamaicans, and I base that observation on how much their arguments against homosexuality in general and in justification of killing “disobedient” children consisted of Old Testament references and claims that their “Overstanding” _required_ them to mete out God’s judgement, _especially_ within their own family. Well, like I said, that’s not the experience I’ve had but I can say I’ve heard of similar things. I think that the attitude of Jamaicans as a whole towards gays is pretty consistent with the attitude of Jamaican Rastafarians, though. Homophobia is very much institutionalized there, regardless of religion. Jamaica as a whole is known for its poor and often violent treatment of gays and has been criticized by the United Nations for not upholding human rights regulations to which the country is a signatory. By the way, was this a local reggae group or big names? Burning Spear rocks. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![labmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f19dbf/32.png) [@labmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/labmonkey)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2004, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/50 "2004-02-27T00:02:47Z")
Where are the moral relativists defending Jamaican culture against judgement from us imperialistic westerners? Remember the nut-sack removers in Africa? Isn’t this just part of a foreign culture(Jamaican gay-bashing) we are unable to understand as Americans/Europeans? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2004, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/51 "2004-02-27T01:16:34Z")
> [@labmonkey](#): > > Where are the moral relativists defending Jamaican culture against judgement from us imperialistic westerners? Remember the nut-sack removers in Africa? Isn’t this just part of a foreign culture(Jamaican gay-bashing) we are unable to understand as Americans/Europeans? :rolleyes: You read my mind. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![pizzabrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@pizzabrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pizzabrat)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2004, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/52 "2004-02-27T05:43:37Z")
> [@](#): > > _labmonkey_ > Where are the moral relativists defending Jamaican culture against judgement from us imperialistic westerners? Remember the nut-sack removers in Africa? Isn’t this just part of a foreign culture(Jamaican gay-bashing) we are unable to understand as Americans/Europeans? Jamaica is an anglophonic Christian new-world country that’s right under our toes. How are they not Westerners? And what the hell’s with this moronic “tactic” of begging people to disagree with you? ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2004, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/53 "2004-02-27T12:29:11Z")
> [@pizzabrat](#): > > Jamaica is an anglophonic Christian new-world country that’s right under our toes. How are they not Westerners? And what the hell’s with this moronic “tactic” of begging people to disagree with you? Ummm…no. Jamaca is a highly Africa-influenced culture, with many “alternative” religions…everybody knows about them, they’re just not officially sanctioned. As for **labmonkey** ’s tactic? It’s called “sarcasm”—in _your_ case, irony. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Priam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/77aa72/32.png) [@Priam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Priam)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2004, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/54 "2004-02-27T13:35:13Z")
For myself, who has defended moral relativism in the past, I’ll just say that he who is without contradiction should throw the first stone. ---
**Author:** ![sooperpooper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sooperpooper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sooperpooper)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2004, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490/55 "2004-03-02T03:34:50Z")
I read the OP and experienced . . . nothing. No tug on the heartstrings, no single tear. I didn’t even blink. Nothing for this young man’s pain. That makes me sad. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/father-outs-son-to-class-incites-them-to-beat-him-watches-smiles/230490.md?page=2)