# Faux News co-host walks off his own show? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 22, 2008, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389 "2008-03-22T23:35:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389/21 "2008-03-24T19:37:47Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] Actually, she got choked up when asked a question about her hair and how she keeps campaigning. It wasn’t the toughest question in the world. [/QUOTE] Oh please. Do you have a cite that her voice sorta kinda breaking equals crying over her hair? Seriously? [Presidents cry.](http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2008/01/presidents-cry.html) ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389/22 "2008-03-24T19:45:30Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] In a word, horseshit. This is exactly the same treatment every other candidate gets. He was not being talked over - he got a full block of time to present his position, and, the instant they failed to accept it without question, he blew up and walked off. [/QUOTE] I suspect you’re seeing what you want to see. Now, I don’t know whether his reaction was real or not (although it seemed real to me), but he tried multiple times to get his point across, and it was clear that he wasn’t giving them the answer they wanted. It was like they were working off of a script, and he wasn’t playing along. I would’ve walked, too- and not because it was an Obama issue (non-issue, in my opinion), but because, dammit, if you want me on your show, at least pretend to acknowledge my position. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389/23 "2008-03-24T20:30:01Z")
[QUOTE=levdrakon] Oh please. Do you have a cite that her voice sorta kinda breaking equals crying over her hair? Seriously? [/QUOTE] I wasn’t making a comparison. The question that made her “cry” in New Hampshire was about her hair. (In quotes because, while I think the emotion was genuine, she wasn’t crying. Her voice caught a tiny bit. I’m not sure how that translated to crying in the news, or to the reports that “her eyes welled up with tears.” I’ve never seen that on any video from the event and I’m not sure how any reporter saw it.) I don’t care that she cried and I’ve never criticized her for it. **Yumblie** suggested that Clinton would curl up and cry in response to a tough question, I was just pointing out that her “crying” actually came in response to a softball question. According to [the Seattle Post-Intelligencer](http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004116849_thequestion10.html), Marianne Pernold Youngs’s question was “As a woman, I know it’s hard to get out of the house and get ready. My question is very personal: How do you do it?” After a pause, she added “Who does your hair?” ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389/24 "2008-03-24T20:52:56Z")
[QUOTE=kingpengvin] No An Awkward joke is him walking off camera then sitting there to the side and pretending to sheepishly come back or come back with a grin, not leave the studio altogether. [/QUOTE] The official story is that he joking: > [@](#): > > David Brown, the show’s executive producer, said in an e-mail message that Mr. Kilmeade had been kidding… And he did not leave the studio. He was there for the next segment. [http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/24/business/media/24fox.html?ref=business](http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/24/business/media/24fox.html?ref=business) ---
**Author:** ![CJJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecc23a/32.png) [@CJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CJJ)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389/25 "2008-03-24T21:15:39Z")
Gang, this isn’t that tough. Kilmeade was making the point that folks shouldn’t take offense to Barack Obama describing his grandmother as a “typical white person”, and that Obama’s intent was that there was a generational difference in racial views. He also notes the comments were made on a Philadelphia Sports Radio show, where perhaps he wasn’t as “measured” as in his speech. His “storming off” when asked if he would be offended at being labeled a “typical sports guy” was meant to highlight the absurdity of hyper-sensitivity over such a term. You even hear him saying “I proved my point” as he’s walking off–implying that the woman’s argument was at best opportunist and at worst deceitful. Really, has the election so addled people’s thinking around here that they can’t tell what a joke is anymore? He’s not “storming off in protest”, he’s not “running away” because it’s a question he doesn’t want to answer, he’s simply using a joke to make a point. Everyone please, take your partisanship glasses off for a change. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389/26 "2008-03-24T21:22:39Z")
[QUOTE=CJJ\*] Gang, this isn’t that tough. Kilmeade was making the point that folks shouldn’t take offense to Barack Obama describing his grandmother as a “typical white person”, and that Obama’s intent was that there was a generational difference in racial views. He also notes the comments were made on a Philadelphia Sports Radio show, where perhaps he wasn’t as “measured” as in his speech. His “storming off” when asked if he would be offended at being labeled a “typical sports guy” was meant to highlight the absurdity of hyper-sensitivity over such a term. You even hear him saying “I proved my point” as he’s walking off–implying that the woman’s argument was at best opportunist and at worst deceitful. Really, has the election so addled people’s thinking around here that they can’t tell what a joke is anymore? He’s not “storming off in protest”, he’s not “running away” because it’s a question he doesn’t want to answer, he’s simply using a joke to make a point. Everyone please, take your partisanship glasses off for a change. [/QUOTE] Thank you. It was obviously meant as a joke. The Chris Wallace bitchslap – well, really more of a girly slap – was encouraging to see, though. And for the record, there was nothing offensive about Obama’s remark. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389/27 "2008-03-24T21:44:59Z")
The whole bullshit broo-ha-ha about Barack Obama picking on poor white folks using his granny is just ridiculous and has the lyrics from [Avenue Q Song](If we all could just admit) playing on a loop in my mind whenever I watch the news and it comes up (which is constantly). > [@](#): > > Everyone’s a little bit racist > Sometimes. > Doesn’t mean we go > Around committing hate crimes. > Look around and you will find > No one’s really color blind. > Maybe it’s a fact > We all should face > Everyone makes judgments > Based on race. and from later in the same song > [@](#): > > If we all could just admit > That we are racist a little bit, > Even though we all know > That it’s wrong, > Maybe it would help us > Get along. Maybe if Obama used [wacky puppets](http://www.tufts.edu/alumni/magazine/fall2006/images/features/aveq.jpg) in the campaign Fox and other pundits and bloggers would understand the point better. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389/28 "2008-03-24T21:57:52Z")
[This clip is pretty funny](http://www.newshounds.us/2008/03/20/hannity_denies_past_association_with_white_supremacist_but_evidence_suggests_otherwise.php). It shows Sean Hannity getting called out for his own past neo-nazi associations by New Black Panther leader, Malik Zulu Shabazz. Hannity’s sputtering surprise about having his support for the openly racist, [Hal Turner](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner) thrown in his smarmy face. At first he even tried to lie and deny he knew the guy. If only everyone who goes on his show will drop Turner’s name every time Klannity tries to open his mouth about Wright. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Zagna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d2c977/32.png) [@El\_Zagna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Zagna)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389/29 "2008-03-24T22:01:49Z")
The official line from Fox is that it was a joke and he does this sort of thing all the time. If that’s the case there should be some earlier video of him walking off the set, but I’ve not seen that turn up yet, and until it does I’m assuming that their claim is a lie. The other problem with the it-was-all-a-joke claim is that there was nothing funny about it. It was an uncomfortable set up to an even more uncomfortable moment. Either Fox is clueless about humor or they have been visited by the ghost of [Andy Kaufman/Tony Clifton](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Clifton). Maybe they’re much hipper than any of us ever imagined. On re-watching the video it seems to me that Kilmeade was frustrated with his inability to articulate his position (whatever it was - I’m still not sure) coupled with the fact that he is unaccustomed to actually having to defend a position without any cheer leading from his co-hosts. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389/30 "2008-03-24T22:19:55Z")
[QUOTE=El Zagna] Either Fox is clueless about humor [/QUOTE] You’ve obviously never seen the very short-lived [1/2 Hour News Hour](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_1/2_Hour_News_Hour), or there wouldn’t need to be an alternative to “Fox is clueless about humor”… ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389/31 "2008-03-24T22:24:14Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] You’ve obviously never seen the very short-lived [1/2 Hour News Hour](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_1/2_Hour_News_Hour), or there wouldn’t need to be an alternative to “Fox is clueless about humor”… [/QUOTE] Has anyone seen that wretched “Red Eye” show that’s on at like 3AM? I think it’s supposed to be an attempt at “humorous” right wing coverage of the news, but man is it bad. The host is one of the biggest tools I’ve ever seen. I’ve only seen the show a couple of times (when there was absolutely nothing else on and I couldn’t sleep), but I think it’s one of the worst shows on television. I don’t mean because of political content, I meam in terms of writing, production and personalities. It’s like a public access show. It’s horrible. Why is it on? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389/32 "2008-03-24T22:32:08Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Has anyone seen that wretched “Red Eye” show that’s on at like 3AM? [/QUOTE] [Here](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Eye_w/_Greg_Gutfeld). From what I’ve heard it doesn’t help that the host is an asshole of the first order. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Zagna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d2c977/32.png) [@El\_Zagna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Zagna)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389/33 "2008-03-24T22:57:04Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] You’ve obviously never seen the very short-lived [1/2 Hour News Hour](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_1/2_Hour_News_Hour), or there wouldn’t need to be an alternative to “Fox is clueless about humor”… [/QUOTE] Yeah, I’ve seen it. :eek: Still you can count on the Fox apparatchiks to claim that it’s the rest of us that don’t have a sense of humor. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389/34 "2008-03-24T23:07:37Z")
Except that they didn’t, did they? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389/35 "2008-03-24T23:12:20Z")
[Hijack]A question about Fox News since I don’t watch them more than I can help it: CNN, which is accused (rightly or wrongly) of being a left leaning news channel, has some right wing shows and hosts: Lou Dobbs (not a fan of the Bush admin or the religious right but definitely right of center), Glenn Beck (free-lance right-leaning mongoloid) and Nancy “Hang 'em high and save the rich white girls!” Grace being the most notable. Does Fox have any left leaning anchors other than Hannity’s court eunuch Sean Colmes (or as Franken calls him, Colmes)? ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389/36 "2008-03-24T23:14:05Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Has anyone seen that wretched “Red Eye” show that’s on at like 3AM? I think it’s supposed to be an attempt at “humorous” right wing coverage of the news, but man is it bad. The host is one of the biggest tools I’ve ever seen. I’ve only seen the show a couple of times (when there was absolutely nothing else on and I couldn’t sleep), but I think it’s one of the worst shows on television. I don’t mean because of political content, I meam in terms of writing, production and personalities. It’s like a public access show. It’s horrible. Why is it on? [/QUOTE] I would imagine the budget for that show is practically zero. None of the other cable news channels even run original programming at that time of night; I can’t imagine there is much of an audience out there to get. They probably have to settle for the lowest paid writers and talent to get the show to a budget that can be profitable. But, yeah, it is awful. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389/37 "2008-03-24T23:17:07Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Except that they didn’t, did they? [/QUOTE] From [the NY Times](http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/20/business/media/20fox.html): > [@](#): > > Mr. Surnow warned against using the show’s demise to infer that conservatives are not funny. > > “I think there’s room for great satire and great comedy from either side of the aisle,” he said. “Hypocrisy and hysteria are in both camps, and they should always be taken down a notch.” In other words, it’s not that we weren’t funny…it’s just too expensive! They weren’t funny. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389/38 "2008-03-24T23:19:33Z")
[QUOTE=Sampiro] [Hijack]A question about Fox News since I don’t watch them more than I can help it: CNN, which is accused (rightly or wrongly) of being a left leaning news channel, has some right wing shows and hosts: Lou Dobbs (not a fan of the Bush admin or the religious right but definitely right of center), Glenn Beck (free-lance right-leaning mongoloid) and Nancy “Hang 'em high and save the rich white girls!” Grace being the most notable. Does Fox have any left leaning anchors other than Hannity’s court eunuch Sean Colmes (or as Franken calls him, Colmes)? [/QUOTE] I believe Juan Williams from NPR was a Fox correspondent for quite a while, until he got fed up with being treated like a side-show freak by his co-workers and quit. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389/39 "2008-03-24T23:37:09Z")
Juan Williams is still on occasionally. He still gets trotted out as the token black. They’ve been using him a lot to bash Obama (“see, even this colored feller thinks that preacher don’t know his place”) ---
**Author:** ![BarnOwl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e95f7d/32.png) [@BarnOwl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BarnOwl)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389/40 "2008-03-24T23:39:17Z")
[QUOTE=levdrakon] This is just another thinly-veiled pro-Obama thread, right? Does this belong in CS? Aren’t there enough of these threads all over the Dope? [/QUOTE] **levdrakon** , I never intended my OP to become a pro-Obama thread. I was knocked out that anything like the YouTube clip (actually, two clips as it turns out) could possibly happen at Fox,and I wanted to see a rerun. Simple as that. And that’s why I put it here in CS. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-co-host-walks-off-his-own-show/442389.md?page=3)