# Faux news is coming around too! Let's here it for Fox! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 25, 2005, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-is-coming-around-too-lets-here-it-for-fox/309765 "2005-06-25T02:41:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2005, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-is-coming-around-too-lets-here-it-for-fox/309765/1 "2005-06-25T02:41:20Z")
The cracks are growing! [http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160556,00.html](http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160556,00.html) What is going on?? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2005, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-is-coming-around-too-lets-here-it-for-fox/309765/2 "2005-06-25T02:49:22Z")
Maybe the strain of claiming that the Emperor was dressed in resplendent finery has worn them down. “Okay, fuck it, he’s naked. I need a beer.” ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2005, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-is-coming-around-too-lets-here-it-for-fox/309765/3 "2005-06-25T02:54:28Z")
What is going on is the fact that as a business, it is becoming impossible not to talk bout the truth. And if the eyeballs are in the possession of people that no longer believe the administration, news will appear to appeal that growing demographic. Of course, overall, Fox still continues carring water for the administration: [http://mediamatters.org/items/200506240003](http://mediamatters.org/items/200506240003) > [@](#): > > Fox News’ Special Report parroted White House spin that Rove comments referred to two “philosophies,” not two parties > > Fox News host Brit Hume and White House correspondent Carl Cameron both made misleading claims in defense of controversial remarks by deputy White House chief of staff Karl Rove, who in a June 22 speech stated: “Conservatives saw the savagery of 9-11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers.” Both Hume and Cameron mouthed the White House talking point that Rove was comparing two different “philosophies” – liberal and conservative – and wasn’t targeting Democrats. In fact, Rove specifically mentioned two prominent Democrats – Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean and Senate Minority Whip Richard J. Durbin (D-IL) – as examples of those who merely want to “understand our enemies.” > > … > > During the “Fox News All-Star Panel,” Hume initiated a discussion of the issue with this disclaimer: \*\*“Now it’s probably worth noting at the outset here that Rove directed his criticism and his comparison at … liberals as opposed to conservatives. He never did say Democrats. Democrats seem to have rushed to make themselves the targets of this attack by Rove.” \*\* Moments later, however, Hume contradicted himself, as the weblog Daily Howler highlighted. When Roll Call executive editor Morton M. Kondracke suggested that Rove “went over the top,” that he should have said “some liberals,” and that he was “referring to [MoveOn.org](http://MoveOn.org).” Hume responded, “Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! [MoveOn.org](http://MoveOn.org) lies at the heart of the Democratic Party nowadays, doesn’t it, Mort?” > > But the full text of Rove’s speech shows that he did specifically target Democrats. Following his statement that “liberals saw the savagery of the 9-11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers,” Rove went on to cite Dean and Durbin as examples ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2005, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-is-coming-around-too-lets-here-it-for-fox/309765/4 "2005-06-25T03:06:19Z")
On a total side note, anybody notice one of the links at the top of the page? > [@](#): > > As Americans turn against the war in Iraq, it’s time the public **new** the reality behind White House myths It’s time we new it, eh ? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2005, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-is-coming-around-too-lets-here-it-for-fox/309765/5 "2005-06-25T03:14:34Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > It’s time we new it, eh ? :eek: say it ain’t sew! ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2005, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-is-coming-around-too-lets-here-it-for-fox/309765/6 "2005-06-25T03:24:05Z")
I don’t no if I can do that, **wring**. Surely you two are in the same position? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2005, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-is-coming-around-too-lets-here-it-for-fox/309765/7 "2005-06-25T03:26:37Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I don’t no if I can do that, **wring**. > Surely you two are in the same position? of coarse eye am ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2005, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-is-coming-around-too-lets-here-it-for-fox/309765/8 "2005-06-25T03:27:43Z")
> [@](#): > > We have clearly entered a new phase of our involvement in Iraq — public opinion is turning against the administration and the president will be devoting a good bit of his time trying to convince the American public that our policy should not change. This is the right time to take a close look at myths and realities about Iraq. :smack: Of course! When the majority of people believed otherwise, it would be bad for business to mention those realities before! [Cartman as a Fox reporter] If we had mentioned that news then it would have warped their fragile little minds!! [/CFr] I tell you, that condescension would be enough for me to stop watching Fox news, but conservatives will continue watching ignoring the ride Fox gave to them. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2005, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-is-coming-around-too-lets-here-it-for-fox/309765/9 "2005-06-25T03:37:37Z")
I knew there was a reason I used here. To be on the same level as Fox. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2005, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-is-coming-around-too-lets-here-it-for-fox/309765/10 "2005-06-25T03:42:47Z")
Don’t you guys read? The piece is commentary from a Fox News contributor who happens to be a former Democratic congressman. Democrat criticizes Bush. Film at fucking eleven. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2005, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-is-coming-around-too-lets-here-it-for-fox/309765/11 "2005-06-25T03:48:54Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > Don’t you guys read? The piece is commentary from a Fox News contributor who happens to be a former Democratic congressman. > > Democrat criticizes Bush. Film at fucking eleven. :rolleyes: Yeah… why we did not see that before in the “fair and balanced network”? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2005, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-is-coming-around-too-lets-here-it-for-fox/309765/12 "2005-06-25T03:49:23Z")
Democrat criticizes Bush… on FOX NEWS. Naw, nothing new, happens all the time. Fox is pretty much just a liberal mouthpiece anyways. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2005, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-is-coming-around-too-lets-here-it-for-fox/309765/13 "2005-06-25T04:09:47Z")
I’m guessing Moto thinks Fox has no editorial board. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2005, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-is-coming-around-too-lets-here-it-for-fox/309765/14 "2005-06-25T04:29:53Z")
Why would they need an editorial board when all they do is report the plain, unvarnished facts? Gibber. Greeb? Kitang, kitang, kitang! Nurse! Nurse! ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2005, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-is-coming-around-too-lets-here-it-for-fox/309765/15 "2005-06-25T04:36:42Z")
Klatu Niktu Bara~cough cough~ What, I said it!?! ---
**Author:** ![DKW](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dkw/32/3118_2.png) [@DKW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DKW)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2005, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-is-coming-around-too-lets-here-it-for-fox/309765/16 "2005-06-25T04:46:13Z")
They tried, man. They tried like you wouldn’t believe. But they’re human beings who can only take so much. Desert Storm was a cakewalk. It lasted, what, a week? Piece of cake covering for an administration for that long. Even Clintons escapades were just silly one-shot affairs, so he wasn’t much of a challenge. But month after month, year after year, bodies piling up, billions and billions of dollars down the hole, and absolutely no good news on the horizon…how the hell is any news outlet supposed to cope? They’re starting to turn, and they’re only going to keep turning. Even a rat can’t live on nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2005, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-is-coming-around-too-lets-here-it-for-fox/309765/17 "2005-06-25T08:08:35Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > I’m guessing Moto thinks Fox has no editorial board. You’re guessing that Moto thinks. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2005, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-is-coming-around-too-lets-here-it-for-fox/309765/18 "2005-06-25T12:37:53Z")
They’re a business above all else. They cater to a demographic, and recently [their ratings have been tanking](http://www.newshounds.us/2005/05/18/fox_news_in_ratings_free_fall.php). Looks like they’re simply aware of the new-majority anti-Bush sentiment in the US, are connecting that to their ratings, and are trying to get their audience back by retargeting their approach. But it doesn’t seem likely, does it, that this is the result of Rupert Murdoch having had some long, dark night of the soul. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2005, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-is-coming-around-too-lets-here-it-for-fox/309765/19 "2005-06-25T15:29:28Z")
“In a long, dark night of the spreadsheet, its always three o’clock in the morning.” - F. Scott Greenspan ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2005, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-is-coming-around-too-lets-here-it-for-fox/309765/20 "2005-06-25T15:58:05Z")
Team Bush is DOOMED. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/faux-news-is-coming-around-too-lets-here-it-for-fox/309765.md?page=2)