# Favorite Post-1985 Animated Disney Flick?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 10, 2002, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835 "2002-09-10T19:34:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2002, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835/41 "2002-09-13T20:05:21Z")
Wouldn’t _Lilo and Stitch_ count as a no-song movie? Nobody breaks into song inexplicably, and the only person who sings in the film is Elvis Presley. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2002, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835/42 "2002-09-13T21:33:24Z")
Another vote for _Mulan_ (primarily for Jerry Goldsmith’s brilliant contributions), followed by the funny _Aladdin_–the only two recent Disney (non-Pixar) films I can see myself re-watching. ---
**Author:** ![Fern\_Forest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@Fern\_Forest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fern_Forest)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2002, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835/43 "2002-09-13T22:08:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JuanitaTech \* > \*\*So _Atlantis_, on one hand, has no songs (good) but on the other, isn’t funny (bad)? Hmmmmm. Well since another poster spoiled the movie, I think I’ll just skip it. \*\* I hope you’re not talking about me because I didn’t. Nor do I see anyone else in this thread that did. I don’t think they sang in the Rescuers Down Under. Certainly it wasn’t a musical. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2002, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835/44 "2002-09-13T22:40:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zebra \* > \*\ ***Fenris** I think the lack of a clear cut villian in B&tB is a strength of the film. Gaston sort of goes lower and lower as he schemes to get the girl he wants. (though the reason he wants to marry her are without merit) Oh and IIRC Gaston didn’t quite make it to the US of A. The fact that he is not clearly evil and twirling his moustach gives the film a little complexity. > \*\* Sorry **Zebra** , I must not have been clear. In the 1946(??) Disney flick “Ichabod and Mr. Toad”, the “Ichabod” in question is Ichabod Crane of the “Headless Horseman” story. A big, loudmouthed creep named Brom Bones is the antagonist…and Brom Bones in that 1946(???) feature is clearly the model the animators used when they did Gaston. So not only is Gaston a wimpy bad-guy, he’s not even an _original_ bad-guy. Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Avalonian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@Avalonian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avalonian)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2002, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835/45 "2002-09-13T22:56:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zebra \* > \*\*Let me say kind things about the misunderstood **Hunchback of Notre Dame**. > > The only real problem with the film (besides Demi Moore) is that it is not a childrens film.\*\* I don’t think _Hunchback_ is misunderstood at all. You’re right that it’s not a children’s film. It’s also not a film for adults. The real problem with _Hunchback_ is that it never found a focus… it couldn’t decide whether to be a cute kid’s movie or a serious animated film for adults. I saw it trying to be a serious movie, then it would drop in a scene with the three dumb-ass gargoyles or tell a lame joke. The sexual tension of the judge, done so perfectly in the novel, is glossed over and watered down so that kids could watch it. The songs are among some of Disney’s worst, and if anything even more of a distraction from the already muddled storyline. The ending is nothing short of a travesty. _Hunchback_ is the worst of animated films; it didn’t know whether it was an adult-oriented film trying to appeal to kids or a child-oriented film trying to appeal to adults. In the end (the cheated, butchered, tepid, meaningless end of the movie, that is), it’s neither. Now, I _will_ agree that Disney’s _Hunchback_ has a few excellent scenes in it, chief among them the first scene. The “sanctuary” scene is also good, but the same thing was done better and more dramatically in _Tarzan_. However, the really good scenes in _Hunchback_ are few and far between, and they do not fit together to form a cohesive whole. In a word, Disney’s _Hunchback_ flat-out **sucked**. It’s probably Disney’s worst film, in my estimation. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2002, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835/46 "2002-09-13T23:26:14Z")
> [@](#): > > In a word, Disney’s Hunchback flat-out sucked. It’s probably Disney’s worst film, in my estimation. Then you must not have seen _Pocahontas_. Not that I disagree about _Hunchback_; it was so disrespectful of its literary namesake that it was pathetic. But _Pocahontas_ made a travesty of actual historical personages and events. ---
**Author:** ![Avalonian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@Avalonian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avalonian)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2002, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835/47 "2002-09-14T00:16:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kaylasdad99 \* > \*\* > > Then you must not have seen _Pocahontas_. Not that I disagree about _Hunchback_; it was so disrespectful of its literary namesake that it was pathetic. But _Pocahontas_ made a travesty of actual historical personages and events. \*\* You’re absolutely right… _Pocahontas_ was every bit as bad, and for most of the same (or similar) reasons as _Hunchback_. Though it has to be said, the worst Disney films are **really** those awful straight-to-video sequels they keep cranking out. If _Pocahontas_ is a travesty (and oh my, yes it is), then _Pocahontas II_ is an outright abomination, and _Hunchback II_ should be expunged from the face of the Earth. I don’t even want to see _Return to Neverland_. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2002, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835/48 "2002-09-14T01:32:58Z")
My favs are Lion King and Alladin. And although The Return of Jafar was not that good (though still better than other straight to video sequels) I heard that King of Thieves (the third Aladdin film) was good. Having never seen it, I can’t comment. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2002, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835/49 "2002-09-14T02:47:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MamaHen \* > **Beauty and the Beast, no question. I loved Mulan but Beauty and the Beast has been in my heart forever.** Hi, MamaHen! \ _Beauty and the Beast_ has been my favorite ever since I heard the reprise of title song by the chorus at the end of the film, and the camera panned back from the stained glass mosaic to show **The Rose** blooming again in all its glory. _sigh_ Unfortunately, the DVD isn’t going to be released until October 8th of this year. However, the laserdisc came out several years ago, and I’ve owned it ever since and, thus, I can watch it at 60% better resolution than a VHS tape _any time I want to_. Heh heh heh. One of the few advantages of still owning a laserdisc player in this day and age. Mua ha ha ha ha! ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2002, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835/50 "2002-09-14T03:17:24Z")
1.\* Lion King\* - as a story (But then again I was a big fan of Tezuka-sama’s _Jungle Tatei_ back when…) 2.\* Aladdin\* – for Robin Williams, mostly 3. \*Emperor’s New Groove \*-- very, VERY good when you want just simple silly fun _Lilo and Stitch_ is still to be seen _B & B_ gets a special achievement award for quality of the filmmaking. But the story as such was ho-hum. Dishonorable mention: _Pocahontas_. Goodness gracious what were they thinking… And BTW Disney, through a subsidiary, were indirectly responsible for the US release of Miyazaki’s _Princess Mononoke_ and _Kiki’s Delivery Service_, themselves high quality fare. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2002, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835/51 "2002-09-14T12:05:06Z")
Yes, **JRDelirious** , a higher fare than Disney’s, at least for me. 😉 I liked Little Mermaid when I saw it back when I was…erm…8 or 9? Then I didn’t see any Disney animated stories until The Emperor’s New Groove. Aaaah, I watched it in a movie theater and was the only teenager. I think I got the jokes that were lost on the kids. I recently saw Lilo and Stitch. Very good, too! Even better than The Emperor’s New Groove because of the plot, serious yet very funny. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2002, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835/52 "2002-09-15T09:53:51Z")
Oh, we get to vote for worst also? I haven’t seen _Pocahontas II_, but _Lady and the Tramp II_ is worse than _Pocahontas_. I can’t believe I watched that whole movie. ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2002, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835/53 "2002-09-20T14:35:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kat \* > \*\*Oh, we get to vote for worst also? I haven’t seen _Pocahontas II_, but _Lady and the Tramp II_ is worse than _Pocahontas_. I can’t believe I watched that whole movie. \*\* I love Disney animated movies, but, as a rule, I never watch any Disney direct-to-video sequel of a theatrical movie. I have already learned that they are all bad news (if they were any good, they’d be released to the theatres…). Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Fern\_Forest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@Fern\_Forest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fern_Forest)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2002, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835/54 "2002-09-20T16:42:08Z")
I was almost, almost, enticed into seeing the Peter Pan sequel since it was released into theaters. But changed my mind since it was wierd that it wasn’t part of **Disney’s Full Length Animated Feature** list. Very suspicious in my mind. ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835/55 "2002-09-23T16:33:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Osiris \* > \*\*I was almost, almost, enticed into seeing the Peter Pan sequel since it was released into theaters. But changed my mind since it was wierd that it wasn’t part of **Disney’s Full Length Animated Feature** list. Very suspicious in my mind. \*\* [hijack] As long as the subject was brought up, does anyone know Disney’s rules (assuming that there are any to begin with) for which films end up on it’s vaunted DFLAF list? I’ve also noticed that certain films make it while others (A Goofy Movie, being a recent example) don’t make it. Any ideas? Zev Steinhardt [/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![maikai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/53a042/32.png) [@maikai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maikai)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2002, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835/56 "2002-09-24T01:18:39Z")
I have a question about _Atlantis_. How old was the main female Atlantean? I remember thinking “If she is this old, and she was a child when it sank, then Atlantis shouldn’t be a mystery. It would be in history books as fact.” I was surprised by such a galring error. Does anyone know what I’m talking about? ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2002, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835/57 "2002-09-24T10:01:13Z")
She was 3000 years old or around that age… ---
**Author:** ![Fern\_Forest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@Fern\_Forest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fern_Forest)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2002, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835/58 "2002-09-24T10:31:42Z")
Zev. It’s probably something to do with which division makes the movie. Although looking at the production companies for Lilo & Stitch and Return to Neverland this doesn’t appeat to be true. Both were under **Walt Disney Pictures** and **Walt Disney Animation**. Lilo & Stitch was also under **Walt Disney Television Animation** whereas RTNL was rather under **Walt Disney Animation Australia** and **Walt Disney Animation Canada**. Red herring I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Jman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jman/32/4416_2.png) [@Jman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jman)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2002, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835/59 "2002-09-24T11:06:30Z")
I have to give my #1 vote to **Beauty and the Beast**. Fantastic music, beautiful animation, and a well done fairy tale story line. Closely following for me is **The Lion King**. I loved the humor in the **Toy Story** series, and **The Little Mermaid** and **Aladdin** were also excellent. Overall, I don’t think I can think of a recent Disney film that I didn’t enjoy… Jman ---
**Author:** ![UrbanChic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9dc877/32.png) [@UrbanChic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UrbanChic)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2002, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835/60 "2002-09-25T14:22:53Z")
Ok, so I saw _Monster’s Inc._. I wasn’t impressed. It was kind of tedious. For a Disney/Pixar project, it was subpar. I even watched it again (after watching _Mulan_, of course) just to give it another chance. 'Twasn’t as funny as _Toy Story_ or _Toy Story 2_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-post-1985-animated-disney-flick/127835.md?page=4)