# Favorite Trek Villian **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 25, 2001, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-trek-villian/89550 "2001-10-25T14:46:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-trek-villian/89550/21 "2001-10-26T00:55:34Z")
> [@](#): > > Never watched Voyager. You didn’t miss much. ---
**Author:** ![poohpah\_chalupa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/91b2a8/32.png) [@poohpah\_chalupa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/poohpah_chalupa)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-trek-villian/89550/22 "2001-10-26T01:51:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dooku \* > **"I WOULDA WON!! I WOULDA!!"** “YOU BROKE MY SWORD!” **Knead** : The Kang quote is one of my faves! Anytime I get my hands on an intercom system or a hands-free phone or a voice modulator, I _always_ use that quote! I forgot to mention Loki and Bele from “Let This Be Your Last Battlefield” (TOS)…they were a hoot. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-trek-villian/89550/23 "2001-10-26T02:04:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Miaowara Tomokato \* > \*\ ***Krug** (Christopher Lloyd) in Search for Spock. Hands down. No contest. > > He remains the only Klingon who shows us the history of what Klingons are and how they got to be that way, and he does it without a word. His performance was a brief high point above the grunting hockey players that called themselves Klingons in almost all the other works. Mr. Lloyd understood Klingon philosophy and adopted it for the performance. You could **see** him **thinking**! \*\* Picking my second choice helps. Honorable mention: Spoofe, for picking my third choice, Gul Dukat. We will graciously ignore the taseless anti-Voyager comment. ^:)^ It is still possible to win. Monetary compensation to the Judge will weigh heavily in future decisions. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-trek-villian/89550/24 "2001-10-26T03:34:45Z")
> [@](#): > > We will graciously ignore the taseless anti-Voyager comment. Aw, heck, c’mon Carni… Voyager had its moments, but it was nothing compared to TOS, TNG, and even DS9. Hopefully, Enterprise doesn’t follow the trend. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-trek-villian/89550/25 "2001-10-26T03:57:12Z")
Hey, you got honorable mention. If you want to push it, see the rules about monetary compensaion for the judge. Besides, Janeway and Paris turnung into salamanders beats \* Spock’s Brain \* or Wesley Saving The Ship. Not much beats “I can see my house from here!”, though… ---
**Author:** ![croaker67](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@croaker67](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/croaker67)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-trek-villian/89550/26 "2001-10-26T04:18:24Z")
Christopher Lloyd?? Ahhhhh… too much “Jim” to take him seriously as a Klingon. Khan or Q is about all. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-trek-villian/89550/27 "2001-10-26T04:28:10Z")
> [@](#): > > Besides, Janeway and Paris turnung into salamanders beats Spock’s Brain or Wesley Saving The Ship. All right, point. My biggest disappointment with Voyager is the fact that they came up with a REALLY GOOD premise for the show, an opportunity for a bunch of new plots and storylines, and all they delivered was just “TNG Part 2”. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5ac83/32.png) [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-trek-villian/89550/28 "2001-10-26T04:57:21Z")
Harcourt Fenton Mudd, from TOS… his fate at the hands of hundreds of androids fashioned after his wife is one of the best… In TNG, how about the mysterious race of bugs that invaded Starfleet Command? They never resolved that one. Weyoun was so perfectly evil in his running of the Dominion war effort, but I feel he was wasted at the end; there should have been more action in the final battles of DS9. In Voyager, the Krenim in “Year of Hell” played by Kurtwood Smith chewed the scenery well. ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Straight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dec6dc/32.png) [@Enola\_Straight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Straight)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-trek-villian/89550/29 "2001-10-26T05:00:01Z")
Nagilam “In order for me to understand death, I must first experience all kinds of death. This will require about a third of your crew…perhaps half.” ---
**Author:** ![Monkey\_Chews](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@Monkey\_Chews](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monkey_Chews)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-trek-villian/89550/30 "2001-10-26T05:17:29Z")
Another vote for **Gul Dukat** – for the first six seasons, at least, the guy was pure magic. Warrior, bureaucrat, father, freedom-fighter, patriot, traitor, madman – he was complex, exciting and forever evolving. And boy did he love to talk. Shame about the final season, when he went all one-dimension. (Set the Alpha Quadrant on fire? Puh-lease. The man was much more interesting when he wanted everyone to like him.) Some great Gul Dukat moments:[ul][li]His collapse in _The Sacrifice of Angels_ as it all slips through his hands – _again_.[/li][li]His welcome to Sisko and Jake as they arrive in Cardassian space at the end of _Explorers_.[/li][li]Blithely walking around Ops in _Civil Defense_ as the counter-insurgency weapon shoots at everyone but him.[/li][li]The runabout trip with Sisko in _The Maquis, Part One_, discussing his children (and the fact that his control panel has for some reason been turned off).[/li][li]Discussing Ziyal’s artwork with Kira in _Sons and Daughters_. Almost like a real family![/li][li]The first time he appears disguised as a Bajoran, in _Penumbra_. WTF???[/li][li]Kira pulling a thorn out of his arse in _Indescretion_ (yes, I know I’m easily amused).[/li][/ul] Other good “villains” were **Commander Tomalok** , and **Michael Eddington**. **Seska** had her moments too. Nick ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-trek-villian/89550/31 "2001-10-26T12:54:09Z")
I think Mr. Chews deserves something for Eddington. He was indeed pretty cool. Helped sae Sisco’s ass in that transported accident, “Dr. Bashier, I presume” I believe it was. His last stand reminds me of \* The Sand Pebbles \* as does Sisco’s “Hello ship” greeting the San Paulo, renamed Defiant. PErhaps the “Bad/Good Guy Award”. ---
**Author:** ![LateComer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b5ac83/32.png) [@LateComer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LateComer)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-trek-villian/89550/32 "2001-10-26T13:36:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Steelerphan \* > \*\*Harcourt Fenton Mudd, from TOS… his fate at the hands of hundreds of androids fashioned after his wife is one of the best… > \*\* Harry Mudd. Hand’s down. Khan’s a close second. Oh, and go Stihlers! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-trek-villian/89550/33 "2001-10-26T13:41:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by LateComer \* > \*\* > Oh, and go Stihlers! \*\* You have me at a disadvantage, Sir. I am shamed…unless he is someone from the Simpsons, then I’m proud. ^:)^ ---
**Author:** ![aegypt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@aegypt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aegypt)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-trek-villian/89550/34 "2001-10-26T14:17:45Z")
My favorite Trek villain is **Evil Kirk** from the episode “The Enemy Within” (“While orbiting planet Alpha 117, good and evil come to life when a bizarre transporter accident splits Kirk into two halves, Good Kirk and Evil Kirk!”). You can’t get much more evil than that (I hope, or we’re all toast!). ---
**Author:** ![Why\_A\_Duck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Why\_A\_Duck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Why_A_Duck)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-trek-villian/89550/35 "2001-10-26T14:33:37Z")
I always liked the evil Dr. Janice Lester from _Turnabout Intruder_ if only for the chance to see Shatner play a woman. ---
**Author:** ![greenlady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6f9a4e/32.png) [@greenlady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/greenlady)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-trek-villian/89550/36 "2001-10-26T15:44:46Z")
So many really excellent villians throughout the Star Trek years… **Kahn** – A classic, and my fav for a long, long time and deserves honorable mention. As a child I was super scared by the **salt monster** in TOS – you know, when it finally materialized as its true self and you saw that awful round, gaping mouth, and at that point realized _how_ those poor victims had perished. \ **Q** – A fun, fun character. In the vein of **Trelaine** , but taken to new heights. **Borg** – What a concept! Truly scary and original evil villian, but not an actual person, which leads me to my choice for the “best” villian: The **Queen Bee Borg**. Seeing her writhing, live half-spine lowered into her computer encasement and observing her feeling of gratification as she’s clipped up on her shoulder blades, thus reaching total “assimilation” with her computerized body. Oh, my god, what mind thought this up? That’s just outstanding. ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2001, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-trek-villian/89550/37 "2001-10-26T16:14:40Z")
> [@](#): > > I can’t help thinking how much the “Horta” looks like a persian rug with a couple of kids crawling around under it. I would then invite you to check out the classic movie “The Creeping Terror,” which is about a killer shag carpet from outer space. In at least one scene, you can see a sneaker of one of the locals used to “animate” it. My pick for villain was the Excalbian, animated by gorilla-at-large Janos Prohaska in “The Savage Curtain.” Such a philosophical bad guy, who just wanted to know the difference between good and evil. And a brief mention about the Talosians: After having put Captain Pike thru all kinds of hell and finding out that humans are just too wild and woolly to be allowed to repopulate their planet, they just say, “Sorry. Goodbye.” Pike then retorts, “Just like that, huh?” To which one of the Talosians (but not the Keeper/Magistrate, played by Meg Wyllie) replies (not an exact quote, but the same meaning): “_Your_ insuitability has doomed _our_ race to extinction. Is that not enough?” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favorite-trek-villian/89550.md?page=1)