# Favre is back! (My opinion, nothing official yet) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 8, 2006, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favre-is-back-my-opinion-nothing-official-yet/351824 "2006-04-08T03:46:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2006, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favre-is-back-my-opinion-nothing-official-yet/351824/21 "2006-04-11T16:11:59Z")
I heard some talk on a local sports radio station today that Favre had told the Packers a while ago that he would definitely come back if the signed Terrell Owens (too late now, Owens has signed with the Cowboys). I can’t find anything about this on a Google News search. Can anyone confirm if this was true and how would Cheese fans have reacted to signing TO? ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2006, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favre-is-back-my-opinion-nothing-official-yet/351824/22 "2006-04-11T16:18:05Z")
[QUOTE=duffer] The consensus first round pick is Williams or Hawk. Barring some trade or draft foul-up that gets us Bush. In that case, there’s a reasonable shot of picking up another QB. And drafting defense later. Not likely as defense is an immediate need, but 2 first-round QB’s gives a trade option, which gives some leverage in trading for a proven impact player. [/quote] If you think Ted won’t trade down, you’re being ignorant. He cares dick about the high draft choice, he wants more picks overall. > [@](#): > > We’ve made some moves on defense. And still have a ton of cap money. This is Ted Thompson we’re talking about. He who brought in Sean Jones, Reggie White, and Andre Rison in time to learn the system to catch a touchdown pass in the Super Bowl win. Ted has proven he can find the bargain player to help the team. And that was when he didn’t have this much money to play with. Huh?, I thought that was Ron Wolf that did that… > [@](#): > > Green Bay’s defense wasn’t as bad as some think. They were 6th or 7th overall in the NFC I think. The offense? If you’re a football fan, you know damn well they didn’t have an offense save for Favre and Gado. There just wasn’t enough healthy players to do anything. Yet they lost games by less than 7 points for the most part. Their defense got worse as the year dragged on, players quit, the run stop was not there anymore. > [@](#): > > He’s coming back. I’m calling it here. And if it isn’t this year he gets the second ring, it’ll be next year. He ain’t coming back, and lots of fans would prefer it that way. Let’s get this rebuilding thing underway. If your a real GB fan you’ll put the team ahead of Favre, not the other way around. Their only chance to return to glory in the next ten years to to let Favre go - Now. > [@](#): > > I may be deluded and hoping for too much. But this is important. To me. There is a feeling among Packer fans that hold Favre and his family as one of our own. We genuinely love him. We love what he _did_, not what he’s doing. He’s holding the team hostage, they don’t know if they should sign key free agents to help him or if they should sign young talent (through) the draft and develope a winning team. He’s hanstringing the organisation and the fans are fed up with it. I hear it everyday. Ted Thompson prefers to get talent through the draft anyway. I think the Pack and Favre are playing tug- of- war with each other and the Pack will win in the end. Favre hints that he’ll come back if they sign some key people and so far Thompson has not shown that he will do that. > [@](#): > > Should this be the year we don’t see him suit up, it’s just going to be empty. We always will be Packer fans, but without Favre it’s just going to be different. I dare say if this is it and Rodgers leads us to the next 5 straight Super Bowl titles, most fans will still wear the number 4 and talk about Favre. Again with putting the player ahead of the team. > [@](#): > > I put this in MPSIMS because it’s partly a love letter to Brett. > > If you’re not a Packer fan, you won’t understand the love of the man over and above a quarterback. If you are a Packer fan, you know how there is now way to describe the feeling. He’s a great player, but his bad side has been exposed. He’s an egotistical maniac. He’s souring his legacy. > [@](#): > > But I shan’t give up hope. I expect to be back next week saying “I told you so.” > > 2 more years of Favre! Sorry, buddy, won’t happen. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2006, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favre-is-back-my-opinion-nothing-official-yet/351824/23 "2006-04-11T20:50:30Z")
[QUOTE=Uncommon Sense] He’s a great player, but his bad side has been exposed. He’s an egotistical maniac. He’s souring his legacy. Sorry, buddy, won’t happen. [/QUOTE] holy cow. Wanna get married? ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2006, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favre-is-back-my-opinion-nothing-official-yet/351824/24 "2006-04-11T22:59:52Z")
[QUOTE=tiny ham] holy cow. Wanna get married? [/QUOTE] Sure, haven’t turned down a proposal yet! ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2006, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favre-is-back-my-opinion-nothing-official-yet/351824/25 "2006-04-11T23:41:33Z")
Favre is not holding the team hostage, that is just nonsense. The Packers would not have done anything differently. They clearly are not mortgaging their future to try and win one more time for Favre. It is simply whether he wants to come back or not. Not one person from the Packers has said they want a decision. This is a non-issue, the fact that he hasn’t made a decision yet. The media, critics, commentators all just want a decision because they want a decision. And Favre had a terrible season last year…and he had an excellent season the year before, so he may or may not be washed up, but I am willing to give him another season, if he wants it. One more season is not going to kill the franchise or set them back by any stretch, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Hung\_Mung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hung\_Mung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hung_Mung)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2006, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favre-is-back-my-opinion-nothing-official-yet/351824/26 "2006-04-11T23:53:29Z")
And y’know what really sticks in my craw? I read something on [SI.com](http://SI.com) or somewhere that the Pack’s backfield is now getting its top three runners back: Green, Fisher and Henderson. I understand Green (and Henderson really is more of a fullback than RB), but how can you forget about Gado? Like the dude didn’t average four yards per friggin’ carry? He’s definitely not Ahman Green. He may, in actuality, not be as good as Tony Fisher. If they forget about him, they’re a bunch of bleepity idiots. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favre-is-back-my-opinion-nothing-official-yet/351824/27 "2006-04-12T00:42:53Z")
I’m a big ol’ cheesehead, and I love the Pack, but [del]Farve[/del] Favre should go. He’s always thrown a lot of interceptions, but he used to make more than enough long throws and huge plays to make up for it. In the last couple years, he keeps going for the big plays, but a lot more of them are ending up in interceptions. It’s not entirely Favre’s fault – he doesn’t have a great team backing him up like he used to –but from what I’ve seen, I think he’s lost a lot of his power and accuracy. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Big\_Cheese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@The\_Big\_Cheese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Big_Cheese)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favre-is-back-my-opinion-nothing-official-yet/351824/28 "2006-04-12T00:58:45Z")
[QUOTE=Hung Mung] And y’know what really sticks in my craw? I read something on [SI.com](http://SI.com) or somewhere that the Pack’s backfield is now getting its top three runners back: Green, Fisher and Henderson. I understand Green (and Henderson really is more of a fullback than RB), but how can you forget about Gado? Like the dude didn’t average four yards per friggin’ carry? He’s definitely not Ahman Green. He may, in actuality, not be as good as Tony Fisher. If they forget about him, they’re a bunch of bleepity idiots. [/QUOTE] Fisher signed with St Louis. Henderson has been a fullback for about 10 years, and he’s still good, but how many more hits does he have left. Green, meh. They’ll probably pick a rb in the draft in the middle rounds. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2006, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favre-is-back-my-opinion-nothing-official-yet/351824/29 "2006-04-12T02:47:38Z")
An RB would be tempting in the 3rd round or later with a 4th or 5th pick. Gado isn’t the long-term future, but he’s shown that he’s at least a quality backup. If the Pack does go with an RB (and I say this assuming there won’t be any quality prospects in the mid-rounds) it will be much later after taking some OLs and DLs. With a WR or S thrown into the mix. I love that Arrington is now meeting with the brass. Not a lot of hype based on last years numbers, but barring injury there isn’t a lot of downside. Match him with Barnett and you have some reason to look for a much improved defense. Of course, he’s only visited, but there’s hope. Favre is not holding the team hostage. Give it a rest. Do you honestly think he hasn’t been talking with the Front Office all this time? Thompson knows damn well what Brett is looking for, and Brett knows damn well what Ted is planning. Just because ESPN doesn’t report it doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. If there was any sign that the Packers were committed to rebuilding than making a push this year or next, Brett would have announced the retirement by now. And yes, despite the announcement (where he didn’t retire) he mentioned this would be his last year. I’ll call bullshit on that. Should he come back this year and it proves the Pack are immediate contenders, I have no doubt he’d consider another year. How long did Elway and Marino play? 36 isn’t so old. Finally, can we put the T.O. bullshit to rest? It doesn’t matter if Favre wanted him or not. There is no way in hell the fans would have accepted it. Thinking T.O. was considered must make some apoplectic over not going for Moss. Same thing, except Moss is more respected in Green Bay then T.O. T.O. is such a non-issue that anyone mentiong that as any reason for Favre not coming back knows absolutely nothing about Packer fans. Even the smart ones on the east coast. ---
**Author:** ![Hung\_Mung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hung\_Mung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hung_Mung)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favre-is-back-my-opinion-nothing-official-yet/351824/30 "2006-04-13T00:16:58Z")
I’ll agree with you on T.O. He was not meant for a small place like Green Bay. He needs a big city with lots of limey light and people to adore him. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favre-is-back-my-opinion-nothing-official-yet/351824/31 "2006-04-13T02:09:42Z")
Wait, the fans make the personnel decisions up there? No wonder they can’t stop the run. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favre-is-back-my-opinion-nothing-official-yet/351824/32 "2006-04-13T02:14:20Z")
The fans own the team. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favre-is-back-my-opinion-nothing-official-yet/351824/33 "2006-04-13T04:06:43Z")
Actually, I have a bigger stake. I own shares. I get to vote (by proxy almost entirely) in who runs the operations. Not only can I spout opinion, I can vote my opinion. Overall it’s a fraction of the total vote, but it counts more than writing a letter the sport’s editor. And that’s good enough for me. Plus my wife and I get a free invite to the shareholder’s meeting every year held at Lambeau Field. The best non-cash related return I can think of for an investment. Any outsider thoughts on Charles Woodson? I wouldn’t count him as less-than-stellar, and he’d be a benfit, but would he be worthy of the money he’s likely to garner? ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favre-is-back-my-opinion-nothing-official-yet/351824/34 "2006-04-13T04:51:39Z")
[QUOTE=Hung Mung] I’ll agree with you on T.O. He was not meant for a small place like Green Bay. He needs a big city with lots of limey light and people to adore him. [/QUOTE] Actually, he needs a big enough city to give the reporters something other than him to focus on. I realize Dallas is a relatively hard-core football city, but there are enough things happening to give the writers fodder to write about other than obsessing about T.O. In Green Bay, based on the (proud)insanity concerning the Packers, his dinner choices would make the front page every day. And not for any other reason than everyone waiting for a meltdown. Yes, I realize everyone playing in Green Bay is a pro-NFL’er like any other city and there are egos there. But in Green Bay there is an expectation of the fans for a player to represent the franchise. And if you display something that warrants admiration, you’ll get it in GB. That’s why Favre, whatever the decision, will own the city, and most of the state. (I still say he’s coming back for at least one year, BTW). Mike McKenzie? You couldn’t find a PETA member in GB that would offer to walk his dog. Walker? Favre nailed him last year. (Another reason I think he’s coming back.) Grady Jackson? Called the holdout bluff. There is an apparent philosophy in GB that is unique in many ways and different from other clubs. Since 1919 they’ve been the underdog. Underfunded, held to the small-town disadvantage in recruiting. Hell [Don Hutson[/] became a legend in Green Bay and the NFL because the postmark was earlier than the contract he signed with the Dodger’s. [quote=] About this time (1935), a rather slight, lanky end by the name of Don Hutson came to the club. He actually signed two contracts, with Green Bay and the Brooklyn Dodgers. But commissioner Joe Carr awarded Hutson to the Packers, because Green Bay’s postmark was earlier. [/quote] Fate loves Green Bay. 🙂 That part about GB living on a shoestring? [url=[http://www.packers.com/history/birth\_of\_a\_team\_and\_a\_legend/](http://www.packers.com/history/birth_of_a_team_and_a_legend/)]History of the tiny upstart.]([http://www.packers.com/history/birth\_of\_a\_team\_and\_a\_legend/chapter\_2/](http://www.packers.com/history/birth_of_a_team_and_a_legend/chapter_2/)) > [@](#): > > First they talked Curly’s employer – a war-time industry called the Indian Packing Company, where he worked as a shipping clerk for $250/month – into putting up money for jerseys. > > Because the company provided jerseys and permitted the use of its athletic field for practice, the club was identified in its early publicity as a project of the company. With this tie-in the name “Packers” was a natural, and Packers they have been ever since, although the Indian Packing Co. had practically faded out of the picture before that first season was half over. > [@](#): > > Games were played in an open field with no fences or bleachers, and interested fans “passed the hat.” But the team was so successful by 1921 that Lambeau was backed by two officials of the packing plant in obtaining a franchise (Aug. 27, 1921) in the new national pro football league that had been formed in 1920. Cash customers didn’t quite pay the freight and the team had to be forfeited at year’s end. Sounds like the beginning of a franchise the fans stuck with in the good and bad years. > [@](#): > > From those modest and somewhat tenuous beginnings, the Packers have gone on to earn national stature and virtual world-wide recognition by winning more championships (12) over the intervening 80-plus years than any team in pro football. And Favre got us to one and close to another. I don’t put much stock in the 4-12 season. If you know football, you know damn well he was playing with, at best, an NFL Europe team. And not the World Cup winner at that. (Or whatever the hell they’re calling it this week.) No 30 TD year? Who the hell did he have to throw the ball to? All the INTs? It was a crapshoot with odds based on who was able to take the field. Shouldn’t have thrown so many ducks? No runing game they spent a year practicing for. Gado is a hot prospect. But he was a 3rd string rookie out of a D-III school. If anyone thinks Favre could rest easy knowing the running game was enough to put the fear of DBs focus off him, you’re deluded. Favre shouldered the entire team last year, and is solely responsible for the 4 wins. (Many losses were less than 6 points. These weren’t blowout wins folks.) I’m still calling for at least one more year. And I’m still saying that even an 0-16 year he’d be elected governor. I’ve been wrong before, I just hope this isn’t one of them. Where’s the love, people? ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favre-is-back-my-opinion-nothing-official-yet/351824/35 "2006-04-13T18:32:27Z")
[Packers To Favre: ‘Take Your Time, Asshole’](http://www.theonion.com/content/node/47431) > [@The Onion](#): > > “This is a big decision for Brett Favre, and we can’t deny that he’s the heart and soul of our team, the most important Packer, the most important person in all of America, and the center of the whole entire universe,” Packer general manager Ted Thompson said Tuesday. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/favre-is-back-my-opinion-nothing-official-yet/351824.md?page=1)