# FBI Agent in Petraeus Case Sent Shirtless Photos to Jill Kelley. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 13, 2012, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854 "2012-11-13T02:20:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/41 "2012-11-13T17:40:59Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > Forgive me, but I’ve missed this story except in passing. Can somebody Cliff Notes what happened for me so I can catch up? How about Taiwanese [animation](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_NRqW348UM). I can’t wait till they do one about Jill Kelly.😃 ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/42 "2012-11-13T17:46:40Z")
I need a flow chart. Oy. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/43 "2012-11-13T17:47:24Z")
Nice summation, **Simplicio** , but you forgot the part about how Obama orchestrated the whole thing to deflect attention from Benghazi-gate. Don’t you listen to AM radio? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/44 "2012-11-13T17:48:05Z")
[Video: Family: Scandal will brand Kelley for life.](http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/49802743/#49802743) That’s NBC’s headline for the video. I’m still baffled why Kelley went squealing to the FBI. If Paula’s emails are true then Jill was fooling around with the General too. Going to the FBI did nothing but expose everyone. \ At least we learned that General’s are human after all. What a mess. Could be worse. Jill has a twin. Care for a threesome General P? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/45 "2012-11-13T17:58:02Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > [Video: Family: Scandal will brand Kelley for life.](http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/49802743/#49802743) > > That’s NBC’s headline for the video. I’m still baffled why Kelley went squealing to the FBI. If Paula’s emails are true then Jill was fooling around with the General too. Going to the FBI did nothing but expose everyone. > > \ At least we learned that General’s are human after all. What a mess. > > Could be worse. Jill has a twin. Care for a threesome General P? Is it an evil twin? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/46 "2012-11-13T17:58:44Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Petraeus (head of the CIA) was having an affair with his official biographer, Patricia Broadwell, who then wrote a suspiciously flattering book about him. They began the affair before the book was published but it would have already been more or less finished by the time the affair is supposed to have begun. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/47 "2012-11-13T18:01:10Z")
Washington Post sheds light on how Jill Kelley met the generals. [http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/tampa-woman-was-hostess-to-the-military-but-had-deep-financial-troubles/2012/11/13/45cea33c-2d19-11e2-9ac2-1c61452669c3\_story.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/tampa-woman-was-hostess-to-the-military-but-had-deep-financial-troubles/2012/11/13/45cea33c-2d19-11e2-9ac2-1c61452669c3_story.html) > [@](#): > > In recent years, Kelley and her husband, Scott, had appointed themselves ad-hoc social ambassadors for military personnel at nearby MacDill Air Force Base, just a stone’s throw from the Kelleys’ mansion on Bayshore Boulevard. > > The parties were how Jill and Scott Kelley eventually became friends with Holly and David Petraeus. It is also how Kelley came to be in regular contact with Allen. Both generals served as the top officers at U.S. Central Command, based at MacDill. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/48 "2012-11-13T18:02:43Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > How much weirder can this thing get? I’m sure at some point stories of hotel parties Broadwell attended with members of the Secret Service will leak out. Then the Seal Team operative that arranged liasons between Kelly and General Allen will provide details of the entire fiasco in a tell all book. ---
**Author:** ![yanceylebeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yanceylebeef/32/12290_2.png) [@yanceylebeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yanceylebeef)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/49 "2012-11-13T18:09:04Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > This has got to be the most fun news story of all time. Spies, Generals, obsessed FBI agents, crazy mistresses. Its got everything. > > I’m half expecting Petraeus’s long lost twin-brother to show up. Operation Brown Chicken Brown Cow is GO! ---
**Author:** ![Taomist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@Taomist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taomist)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/50 "2012-11-13T18:11:00Z")
Who needs soaps? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/51 "2012-11-13T18:11:13Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I wish someone would hurry up and release the photo. I’m still looking for an 8 for my Political Pecs Scale. Who is 9 and 10? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/52 "2012-11-13T18:19:30Z")
And then there’s this: [http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/13/abc-station-botches-petraeus-book-cover-all-up-in-my-snatch](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/13/abc-station-botches-petraeus-book-cover-all-up-in-my-snatch) > [@](#): > > KMGH-TV producer Deb Stanley told Raw Story that the wrong book cover had been “mistakenly picked up off the Internet” and aired during their 5 p.m. broadcast on Monday. Instead of displaying the actual book cover of Paula Broadwell’s Petraeus biography, “All In,” KMGH-TV aired the parody cover, “All Up In My Snatch.” ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/53 "2012-11-13T18:27:16Z")
Whoops. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/54 "2012-11-13T18:37:24Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > And then there’s this: > [http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/13/abc-station-botches-petraeus-book-cover-all-up-in-my-snatch](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/13/abc-station-botches-petraeus-book-cover-all-up-in-my-snatch) I rarely say this, but that one actually did have me laughing out loud. Now I am convinced the Coen brothers actually are writing this stuff. No, wait, it’s more likely John Waters. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/55 "2012-11-13T18:48:56Z")
BTW Business Insider is all over this story. I don’t think they have any real scoops but they do a nice job of summarizing stuff from around the web. For example here is an [article](http://www.businessinsider.com/jill-kelley-sex-scandal-petraeus-cia-allen-emails-2012-11)about Jill Kelly with a bit about her twin sister. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/56 "2012-11-13T19:05:05Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Is it an evil twin? Evidently, yes: > [@](#): > > According to an August story in the Tampa Bay Times, Kelley’s identical twin sister Natalie Khawam, a Tampa lawyer who represents whistleblowers, is embroiled in a nasty lawsuit with her former employer, whom she has accused of sexual harassment and other charges. The employer has fought back with court documents claiming Khawam has a “history of abusing the litigation process.” According to a bankruptcy petition she filed this year, Khawam lives with the Kelleys in Tampa, and owes $3.2 million in unpaid debt. According to the Chicago Tribune, Khawam was also involved in a brutal custody fight with her former husband, Grayson Wolfe, a Washington, D.C.-based venture capitalist who once worked for the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq. The New York Post reports today that Petraeus wrote a letter in support of Khawam to the court in the case, although we have not been able to confirm this. According to the Post, the judge called Khawam a “psychologically unstable person,” and awarded Wolfe sole custody of the 3-year-old child the couple. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/57 "2012-11-13T19:23:15Z")
Wow. This story does have everything. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/58 "2012-11-13T19:26:05Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > This has got to be the most fun news story of all time. Spies, Generals, obsessed FBI agents, crazy mistresses. Its got everything. “…ordinary people with powerful ambition and poor impulse control.” Sounds like a great game of [Fiasco](http://www.bullypulpitgames.com/games/fiasco/). CIA Officer: We’ll… interface with the FBI on this dead body. CIA Superior: No, no. God no. We don’t need those idiots fucking everything up. Burn the body. Get rid of it. CIA Officer: OK. [INDENT][INDENT][INDENT][INDENT][INDENT][INDENT][INDENT][INDENT][INDENT][INDENT][INDENT][INDENT]_Burn After Reading_[/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT] Stranger ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/59 "2012-11-13T19:30:55Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Wow. This story does have everything. Yep. Venture capitalists. Iraq. The Coalition Provisional Authority. How far down the rabbit hole does this thing go? ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/60 "2012-11-13T19:32:27Z")
Jill Kelly is of Lebanese descent but there wasn’t any indication that was relevant to the story. Until [this](http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/tampa-woman-was-hostess-to-the-military-but-had-deep-financial-troubles/2012/11/13/45cea33c-2d19-11e2-9ac2-1c61452669c3_story_1.html): > [@](#): > > A military officer who is a former member of Petraeus’s staff said Kelley was a “self-appointed” go-between for Central Command officers with Lebanese and other Middle Eastern government officials. Perhaps it isn’t anything but you have to wonder who those government officials were. As mentioned above her twin sister’s former husband worked for the CPA in Iraq. Kelley was also apparently in serious financial [trouble](http://www.businessinsider.com/all-of-the-lawsuits-against-jill-kelley-2012-11). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854.md?page=4)