# FBI Agent in Petraeus Case Sent Shirtless Photos to Jill Kelley. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 13, 2012, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854 "2012-11-13T02:20:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/101 "2012-11-14T19:25:19Z")
I’m waiting for the juggling clown who’s actually an undercover Iranian spy to make an appearance in this thing. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/102 "2012-11-14T19:32:50Z")
Jill Kelley, alligator chef: > **[Jill Kelley, alligator chef](https://www.salon.com/2012/11/13/jill_kelleys_first_22_minutes_of_fame_cooking_alligator/)** > > The second woman in the Petraeus scandal had her first 22 minutes of fame cooking alligator on a Food Network show > [@](#): > > When Jill Kelley appeared with her twin sister Natalie Khawam on The Food Network show “Food Fight,” a St. Petersburg Times critic called it the contestant’s “22 minutes of fame.” How wrong he was. Damn, these people do get around. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/103 "2012-11-14T19:57:27Z")
I can’t believe these women aren’t Kardashians. Is anyone going to run a DNA test? ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/104 "2012-11-14T20:02:13Z")
Lebanese. Totally different, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2012, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/105 "2012-11-14T20:56:47Z")
Yeah, the Kardashians are Armenian. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/106 "2012-11-15T00:19:39Z")
> [@ladyfoxfyre](#): > > Lebanese. Totally different, apparently. What - they’re gay too? Okay, I know that was obvious but the way this scandal is going I wouldn’t be at all surprised. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/107 "2012-11-15T01:51:09Z")
Meet the mysterious shirtless FBI agent! [http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201\_162-57550087/fbi-agent-linked-to-petraeus-scandal-identified-as-frederick-humphries/](http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57550087/fbi-agent-linked-to-petraeus-scandal-identified-as-frederick-humphries/) ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/108 "2012-11-15T01:56:17Z")
Well, I’ll say it. No way is that going to be an 8. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/109 "2012-11-15T01:58:20Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Meet the mysterious shirtless FBI agent! > > [http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201\_162-57550087/fbi-agent-linked-to-petraeus-scandal-identified-as-frederick-humphries/](http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57550087/fbi-agent-linked-to-petraeus-scandal-identified-as-frederick-humphries/) What a stud! ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/110 "2012-11-15T02:01:16Z")
Take off your top! ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/111 "2012-11-15T02:03:01Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Take off your top! Give it a minute or two. The photochoppers are at it as we speak. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/112 "2012-11-15T02:04:25Z")
Looks like Dick, from _High Fidelity_. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/113 "2012-11-15T02:34:38Z")
> [@ladyfoxfyre](#): > > Well, I’ll say it. No way is that going to be an 8. God dammit. > [@levdrakon](#): > > The photochoppers are at it as we speak. ! [God dammit.](http://i.imgur.com/syO2dl.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/114 "2012-11-15T02:54:29Z")
“[That picture was sent years before Ms. Kelley contacted him about this, and it was sent as part of a larger context of what I would call social relations in which the families would exchange numerous photos of each other.](http://www.businessinsider.com/frederick-humphries-fbi-agent-petreaus-2012-11)” Yes, I am literally all the time receiving topless photos of men in the context of what I would call social relations. We just exchange somewhat provocative photos of one another and then when the other gets in a bind, one person will risk their professional reputation to blow it way out of proportion. Like, all the time. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/115 "2012-11-15T05:55:28Z")
> [@ladyfoxfyre](#): > > “[That picture was sent years before Ms. Kelley contacted him about this, and it was sent as part of a larger context of what I would call social relations in which the families would exchange numerous photos of each other.](http://www.businessinsider.com/frederick-humphries-fbi-agent-petreaus-2012-11)” > Yes, I am literally all the time receiving topless photos of men in the context of what I would call social relations. We just exchange somewhat provocative photos of one another and then when the other gets in a bind, one person will risk their professional reputation to blow it way out of proportion. Like, all the time. What I heard was that it wasn’t a “sexytime” topless photo that he sent, it was a photo of him at a shooting range, posing shirtless between two shirtless target dummies. So it was more of a gag photo, but I guess you could say it might have been a “sneak-brag” shirtless photo. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/116 "2012-11-15T06:04:20Z")
> [@ladyfoxfyre](#): > > “[That picture was sent years before Ms. Kelley contacted him about this, and it was sent as part of a larger context of what I would call social relations in which the families would exchange numerous photos of each other.](http://www.businessinsider.com/frederick-humphries-fbi-agent-petreaus-2012-11)” > Yes, I am literally all the time receiving topless photos of men in the context of what I would call social relations. We just exchange somewhat provocative photos of one another and then when the other gets in a bind, one person will risk their professional reputation to blow it way out of proportion. Like, all the time. The NYTimes [article](http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/15/us/frederick-humphries-fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0.)from which that quote was taken goes on to say: > [@](#): > > The photo was sent as a joke, he said, and was of Mr. Humphries “posing with a couple of dummies.” Mr. Berger added that it was not sexual in nature. Hard to say without the actual photo but I could see it being an innocuous joke. The same article has this tidbit: > [@](#): > > The officials said Ms. Kelley was no longer permitted to enter MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa “with a wave,” as she has for years as a regular volunteer and visitor to ranking officers there. Now she has to get approval and sign in at the visitor’s gate, the official said. ``` I am quite surprised at the kind of special treatment Kelley was able to obtain. We have already read about the letters the two generals wrote on behalf of her sister in her custody battle. ``` And there is [this](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/14/jill-kelley-s-campaign-to-befriend-petraeus-allen-and-other-top-brass.html): > [@](#): > > At one point, Kelley is said to have made known her desire to jump with the U.S. Special Operations Command Parachute Team, composed of paracommandos from the nation’s most elite units. She was told such jumps are a rare privilege reserved for VIPs. She is said to have replied, in essence, “I’m a VIP.” > > By one knowledgeable account, Kelley was allowed to make the jump. She is not said to have made a particularly favorable impression with the team. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/117 "2012-11-15T15:38:55Z")
I’m not surprised that she got special treatment. Any pretty woman giving those guys any attention at all is like a rock star to them. Continued and focused attention is even more powerful. I can say this very confidently. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/118 "2012-11-15T15:49:21Z")
It does sound like it may have been an innocuous photo. Unfortunately the media does spin things as lasciviously as possible, and I guess we don’t help by taking the bait so quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/119 "2012-11-15T23:23:35Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > It does sound like it may have been an innocuous photo. Unfortunately the media does spin things as lasciviously as possible, and I guess we don’t help by taking the bait so quickly. It may not have been salacious, but it definitely wasn’t innocuous in that it demonstrates extreme impropriety in the handling of this case. An FBI agent personally launched an investigation at the request of a friend. Why wouldn’t Kelley just call the main FBI hotline to report this cyber crime? She needed a personal favor from a friend for her complaint to gain any traction. And when Humphries wasn’t satisfied with the FBI’s handling of the complaint, he went over the head of his own agency and reported it to congress. Any evidence of any personal friendship with Kelley makes those actions highly suspect. I would guess he would have been barred from the case once that was discovered whether he had sent her a Facebook funny or a dick pic. Here is the photo by the way. [http://seattletimes.com/ABPub/2012/11/15/2019688936.jpg](http://seattletimes.com/ABPub/2012/11/15/2019688936.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2012, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854/120 "2012-11-15T23:32:31Z")
You know how I know it’s salacious? He’s sucking in his gut. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-agent-in-petraeus-case-sent-shirtless-photos-to-jill-kelley/640854.md?page=7)