# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 111
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2201 "2022-09-01T15:45:07Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > And it’s a very telling glimpse into the mindset of the Orange Peril. The idea of continuity between administrations, that the purpose of government is to serve the interests of the people of the United States – which includes protecting them from foreign enemies – never even entered his tiny brain. To him, it’s all about personal vendettas. To him,. it’s perfectly reasonable that he scuttle “Obama’s” nuclear deal with Iran, because Obama is the enemy, not Iran, and it’s perfectly reasonable that he keep the details a secret from his successor, because Biden, too, is the enemy. It’s also perfectly plausible in his warped tiny brain that Jake Sullivan ordered his wife to use her feminine wiles to connive Merrick Garland into ordering a search of Trump’s home to try to retrieve secret information about the Iran deal. This is certainly how things might work in the homelands of his two heroes and best pals, Putin and Kim Jong-Un. That’s one thing I’ve always found interesting about Trump - his utter inability to be part of something larger than himself. To Trump, there’s “him” and there’s “them”, and never the twain shall meet. Presidents don’t think that way; _dictators_ don’t think that way, either. I can assure you that in Putin’s mind he is Russia, and Russia is him. Almost all leaders, democratic and otherwise, have that mindset to one degree or another - the only difference is where they position themselves in the collective. To Trump, though, his country was always “them”. That’s what make him such an ineffectual world leader, and it’s also what made him so uniquely destructive to the United States. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2202 "2022-09-01T16:29:23Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > That’s one thing I’ve always found interesting about Trump - his utter inability to be part of something larger than himself. To Trump, there’s “him” and there’s “them”, and never the twain shall meet. Isn’t that the essence of the narcissistic worldview? The narcissist IS the only one-- not just the only one that matters, but in fact, no one else exists in any meaningful way. It’s like those atomic particles that only exist briefly when in motion (I’m probably not stating that with great scientific accuracy). Others, whether family, “friends,” other countries, other heads of state/corporations, only exist when they are in the orbit of the narcissist. And their only function/purpose/meaning is how they serve the narcissist. Otherwise they don’t exist and don’t need to be acknowledged. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2203 "2022-09-01T16:34:13Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > If carting around boxes of docs is part of Trump’s basic personality, then it makes sense to consider whether there are also docs at his other places. > > Put another way, given what was found at Mar-a-Lago, would it make sense to say that Trump and his aides were scrupulously careful about ensuring no classified docs ended up at the Trump Tower or the New Jersey golf course? > > I wouldn’t be surprised if someone in FBI/DOJ land isn’t thinking along those lines. It seems like a reasonable suspicion to me, but would the typical judge see it that way? Can the FBI get a warrant based on “it fits Trump’s modus operandi to have copies of these documents in his other residences” without physical or eyewitness evidence? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2204 "2022-09-01T16:37:25Z")
True, but narcissism is very common among leaders, and yet, somehow most of them manage to expand their definition of “self” at least to “people under my control”. Trump can’t do that. Maybe he’s just too small-minded and unimaginative to manage, but whatever it is, it makes him very different from most politicians, including the evil ones. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2205 "2022-09-01T16:37:56Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > without physical or eyewitness evidence? I wonder if the FBI has given any thought to interviewing cleaning staff from Trump’s other residences… ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2206 "2022-09-01T16:40:50Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > “It’s a fourth amendment violation!” And the DOJ explains that they got a warrant, that it was signed by a judge, that’s exactly what the 4th amendment allows, and here are the statutes that go over the details. Then, Trump’s response is just, “Oh my god, the 4th Amendment, my rights O God! My rights!” Waiting for the Twuth, where Trump says - “I declassified the 4th amendment. And besides the FBI planted it in my house!” ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2207 "2022-09-01T16:45:31Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > …narcissism is very common among leaders… Not to the IMHO pathological level that trump exhibits it (as you pretty much said). ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2208 "2022-09-01T16:50:49Z")
I literally guffawed. The disgraced ex-President called into what appears to be a infomercial and claimed that the FBI was actually searching for… get this… _Hillary’s emails_ > This is some amazing, ‘throw up your hands in the air in despair’ material for many, including… by the expression on her face… the host. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2209 "2022-09-01T16:51:38Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > It seems like a reasonable suspicion to me, but would the typical judge see it that way? Can the FBI get a warrant based on “it fits Trump’s modus operandi to have copies of these documents in his other residences” without physical or eyewitness evidence? I agree that’s certainly not enough for a warrant. I’m just thinking that the FBI/DOJ would likely be considering whether there are other documents in those other two residences: > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I wonder if the FBI has given any thought to interviewing cleaning staff from Trump’s other residences [three periods deleted from Euphonious-Polemic’s quotation to satisfy the Discourse gods] ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2210 "2022-09-01T16:55:05Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > The disgraced ex-President called into what appears to be a infomercial and claimed that the FBI was actually searching for… get this… > > _Hillary’s emails_ He had them the whole time and didn’t LOCK HER UP? What a magnanimous guy! 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2211 "2022-09-01T16:57:32Z")
Yup, that is the go to play for the hard-right MAGA crowd. DOJ/FBI was trying to reclaim documents that prove the “Russia Hoax” was created by Clinton and/or Obama. They firmly believe that evidence of this exists and that the FBI has been covering it up for a long time. Wendy Bell (the host) is all-in on his story, agreeing with him completely. She’s all-in on this. What looks like eye-rolls I read her as saying “yup, that is probably right” - she says “you’ve got the goods”, “right on”. Now it’s obviously an act - nobody is that stupid - but she does it as well as can be expected I suppose. How they don’t break character and laugh at him is amazing. What has never been made clear is why, if he has these documents and he declassified them, Trump has never released them… It’s also pretty amazing that the former POTUS, leader of the free world, darling of Fox News, is now relegated to calling into Wendy Bell Radio ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2212 "2022-09-01T16:58:25Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > This is some amazing, ‘throw up your hands in the air in despair’ material for many, including… by the expression on her face… the host. He does sound like the crazy old uncle at the coffee chit-chat. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2213 "2022-09-01T17:04:18Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > What has never been made clear is why, if he has these documents and he declassified them, Trump has never released them… Trump is part of the deep state! ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2214 "2022-09-01T17:07:55Z")
They [FBI] were looking for the real Lincoln killer; Booth was set up. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2215 "2022-09-01T17:08:31Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Trump is part of the deep state! Every one of the leaders of the Deep State was a Trump appointee. Makes sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2216 "2022-09-01T17:09:14Z")
More like the Derp State. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2217 "2022-09-01T17:16:05Z")
I’m kind of surprised that Trump hasn’t officially declared himself a candidate if he thinks that might shield himself from prosecution. He must not believe so. I think the Republicans want him to wait until after the midterms, so he won’t fuck those up, but he’d throw the whole party under the bus to save his hide. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2218 "2022-09-01T17:22:56Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > This is some amazing, ‘throw up your hands in the air in despair’ material for many, including… by the expression on her face… the host. And citizens of liberal democracies around the world are saying « my president / prime minister may have their faults, but at least … » ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2219 "2022-09-01T17:36:26Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > It’s also pretty amazing that the former POTUS, leader of the free world, darling of Fox News, is now relegated to calling into Wendy Bell Radio Never heard of Wendy Bell but it is amazing this is where Trump has to go. No one respectable, nor even “supposed to be respectable” (Fox), will talk to him. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2022, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2220 "2022-09-01T17:45:40Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > It’s clear from the twuth ( it’s not a tweet, but I’m NOT calling it a truth) I like that term and will start using it. It harkens back to [Edith Ann’s](https://youtu.be/ocBO0fr1Ui4?t=148) “And that’s the Twuth BLLLPT!” which has nice similarities to the current twuther (theoretical adult in chair that his too big for them behaving liKe a 5 1/2 year old). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=110) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=112)