# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 130
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2581 "2022-09-07T16:03:41Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > > [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > > > Imagine the outgoing president says to the incoming one, “All information regarding the activities of the executive branch over the last 4 years is privileged. Good luck running the country sucker.” > > The Supreme Court imagined that scenario, which is why this isn’t allowed in the law. > > Yet. But the current administration is a Democrat one, right? And when, pray tell, would that attitude and behaviour be more morally and politically justified than in the event of a tanTrump electoral “win” in 2024? Let the Supreme Court make that legal now, I say. _Fiat justitia et pereat mundus._ ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2582 "2022-09-07T16:09:49Z")
If it’s true, Trump is done. If he doesn’t go to prison, someone else will get him. Whether it’s a foreign power, a citizen. There is no way he’s getting away with it. People can call him “Teflon Don” all they want. It’s over for him. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2583 "2022-09-07T16:19:50Z")
Iran. My money is on Iran. As I posted upthread, Trump pretty much admitted it in a Truth Social post that slid under the radar for some reason. The major news networks probably ignored it because the post also doxxed a State Department employee and advanced a conspiracy theory……”they’re just mad because I took information on Iran”. [[Album] imgur.com ![](https://i.imgur.com/YfM54zP.png?fb "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/a/2Zk0k9w) Also, I think Iran’s nuclear capabilities are of particular interest to the Saudis. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2584 "2022-09-07T16:30:46Z")
Except this doesn’t help Democrats because the strategy of “Destroy the country to score political points” is not one we subscribe to. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2585 "2022-09-07T16:32:27Z")
Then why did we invest so much money in that space laser? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2586 "2022-09-07T16:38:02Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Then why did we invest so much money in that space laser? - Toy for the giant space cat? ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2587 "2022-09-07T16:39:13Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > If it’s true, Trump is done. > > If he doesn’t go to prison, someone else will get him. Whether it’s a foreign power, a citizen. There is no way he’s getting away with it. People can call him “Teflon Don” all they want. It’s over for him. Maybe, but there are a lot of dots that need connecting between “Trump had documents about the nuclear capabilities of a foreign nation that he shouldn’t have had” and “Trump is so obviously guilty of espionage that all his support will evaporate and he’ll go to prison.” ---
**Author:** ![Palo\_Verde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Palo\_Verde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palo_Verde)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2588 "2022-09-07T16:39:20Z")
So why isn’t this making the news more? It’s HUGE, but not much about it on major news websites > [@Palo\_Verde](#): > > extremely high level material on the nuclear capabilities of at least one foreign nation were among the documents recovered at Mar-a-lago. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2589 "2022-09-07T16:42:16Z")
On the one side, protecting the country by making it difficult for tanTrump to operate is the opposite of destroying the country. On the other side, you don’t have to do it. Just bluff. Considering the Supreme Court’s state of mind they may well believe it (wouldn’t they do it themselves? “Of course those communist libtards would do that!”) and that might, just might, prevent them from allowing tanTrump to get away with that now. Sorry I do not have any better idea. (By “the Supreme Court” I mean the six in the current 6-3 constellation). ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2590 "2022-09-07T16:45:43Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Then why did we invest so much money in that space laser? To be fair, it was underwritten by the Jews. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2591 "2022-09-07T16:46:20Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > ”they’re just mad because I took information on Iran”. Corrected: “They’re just mad because I took government-owned, national defense information that needs to be known by the new government in order for it to be able to perform its duties to the general public, on Iran.” I.e., they’re trying to prevent me from cutting America at the Achilles tendon. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2592 "2022-09-07T16:48:56Z")
Not really. - (Presumably) Trump had documents about another country’s nuclear secrets, the kind of documents that if shown to the wrong person, shared, copied, or so on, can be devastating. It compromises international relations and weakens not just the US but another nation (or more). - Trump took them illegally. He stole them. He had no right to them in the first place. It was theft. - Trump stored them in an insecure manner. It was too easy for people to get access to them. And we already know that people trespassed in Mar-a-Lago. The Chinese national who got caught and went to jail for 8 months. The fake Rothschild heiress. Those are only the people we know about. - Trump knew he wasn’t supposed to have them and wasn’t securing them properly. He knows this because he had been told that for 18 months. He can’t claim “oops” or ignorance. He knew. He was **hounded** about it by the government. - Not only did he drag his feet in returning them, he even gave some back and claimed that was all of them. A lawyer signed a document certifying that. And yet he didn’t, the FBI needed to come in with a warrant to get the rest. The dots are there, they’re connected. This has gotten to the point where he can’t skate. Again, if somehow he avoids prosecution, something else is going to happen. I don’t know what or how. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2593 "2022-09-07T16:49:11Z")
Does the fool really think he took the only copy of information on Iran? Can he comprehend that the information he had is very outdated at this time? Or did he take it because he knows it dated and that no one would bother really really trying to get it back. What a dipshit. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2594 "2022-09-07T16:54:17Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > Does the fool really think he took the only copy of information on Iran? Can he comprehend that the information he had is very outdated at this time? I would expect that many of the people who were around at the time are still around and that you could reconstruct much of the same information if you needed it. That said, I can imagine scenarios where: - The information was written down by a source, the document was transferred in a lockbox to a very small number of people at the top, and those people were all Trump appointees who have now left and would never imagine helping the government if its not in their control. - Memories have faded. - The source has been lost and so follow-up questions to clear up the memory gaps are impossible. - We just happen to have worse sources now than we had then. Things come and go and it’s all a bit random, sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2595 "2022-09-07T16:54:58Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > We shouldn’t threaten judges with criminal charges or impeachment without _very strong_ evidence of corruption. I assume this Judge is doing what she thinks is right, and it makes some sense. > [@Aspenglow](#): > > I do agree with this. And I suspect her career as a jurist has already been badly tainted by this ruling. I’ve given some additional thought to this and have changed my mind in this instance. I agree that _in normal times with a normal judge_, it is wrong to seek the ultimate punishment for a bad ruling. But this wasn’t just a bad ruling. This was a swing-for-the-fences effort to rule in favor of Trump. It was as partisan as it could be. There was no genuine weighing of competing interests. There was no concern over national security interests. This was an in-the-tank ruling for one specific party. It is at odds with everything a judge should be. In my view, this is a bad judge. She should be removed if at all possible, by any legal means possible. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2596 "2022-09-07T16:57:40Z")
Everything you say is 100% accurate and true – if you’re an intelligent person who believes in facts and the law. Meanwhile, half the country (possibly including judges and jury members central to Trump’s future) will have no trouble waving away those facts via some bullshit combination of executive privilege, lawyer-client confidentiality, disputes about classification and it-wasn’t-espionage-just-sloppy-paperwork. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2597 "2022-09-07T16:59:45Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Meanwhile, half the country (possibly including judges and jury members central to Trump’s future) will have no trouble waving away those facts via some bullshit combination of executive privilege, lawyer-client confidentiality, disputes about classification and it-wasn’t-espionage-just-sloppy-paperwork. Even still, that means half the country sees the danger. Half the entire country. This isn’t politics anymore. And with this info (if it’s true), now it’s international. That’s why I think he is toast. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2598 "2022-09-07T17:00:44Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I’ve given some additional thought to this and have changed my mind in this instance. I’m getting closer to that position myself. I looked into the judge shopping allegations, and it’s pretty bad. They filed in a small (one judge) courthouse 70 miles away, in the hopes of getting this judge. She should have transferred the case back to the main courthouse. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2599 "2022-09-07T17:03:48Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > > [@Akaj](#): > > > > Meanwhile, half the country (possibly including judges and jury members central to Trump’s future) will have no trouble waving away those facts via some bullshit combination of executive privilege, lawyer-client confidentiality, disputes about classification and it-wasn’t-espionage-just-sloppy-paperwork. > > Even still, that means half the country sees the danger. Half the entire country. This isn’t politics anymore. And with this info (if it’s true), now it’s international. That’s why I think he is toast. Half the country already believes Trump is and always has been a danger to national security. And it’s always politics. Trust me, I hope you’re right. But I’ve been down this “now he’s gone too far” road too often to get my hopes up now. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2600 "2022-09-07T17:09:54Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I looked into the judge shopping allegations, and it’s pretty bad. They filed in a small (one judge) courthouse 70 miles away, in the hopes of getting this judge. She should have transferred the case back to the main courthouse. I got curious about “judge shopping” since I am completely ignorant of it. Is it illegal? As far as I can tell, I don’t think it’s illegal, but it’s judged to be improper. > **[Texas Accused of 'Judge Shopping' in Lawsuits Challenging Biden Policies |...](https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2022/07/14/texas-accused-of-blatant-judge-shopping-in-lawsuits-challenging-biden-policies/?slreturn=20231123013934)** > > The amicus brief accuses Texas of specifically filing lawsuits in divisions entirely, or almost entirely, staffed by Republican-appointed judges. > The amicus brief urges the court to consider the “public interest,” one of the traditional factors in weighing whether to grant a stay. The brief notes how Chief Justice John Roberts Jr., in his 2021 year-end report on the judiciary, singled out judge-shopping in patent cases and how it is important to public confidence to end the practice. Maybe the DOJ can get another judge grant a stay in this case as well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=129) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=131)