# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 132
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2621 "2022-09-07T19:51:27Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > If the DOJ is delaying due to upcoming elections, it’s to prevent every MAGA-head from voting this November. No, the intent should be (and I presume is) to carry out the investigation and possibly charges and trials without influencing the election in any way, or give the appearance of doing so. I don’t think they’re playing a game to influence the election. If they wanted to influence the election it’s a lot easier and more effective to just be more open and move faster. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2622 "2022-09-07T20:18:29Z")
> [@Palo\_Verde](#): > > So why isn’t this making the news more? It’s HUGE, but not much about it on major news websites Fatigue? I mean, how much interest do you expect how many people/news outlets to have about this over how long a period? This has pretty much slid down to the level where there is just a continuous drip of daily news articles which outrage folk on one side, and are viewed as nothing burgers by the other. How come there hasn’t been much info on the 1/6 hrs lately? How many issues can the average person stay outraged about at one time? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2623 "2022-09-07T20:23:36Z")
As @Fiendish_Astronaut noted, it’s only one paper that is reporting it, without any attributable source. Now, that paper is the Washington Post, which is pretty good with its sources, but still, other journalists have to be careful about just being the echo chamber. ---
**Author:** ![Ponderoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponderoid/32/19221_2.png) [@Ponderoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponderoid)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2624 "2022-09-07T22:51:55Z")
My understanding is he was already planning on announcing for 2024 immediately after this election. The only reason he hasn’t already is the GOP has told him if he announces too early, they’ll stop paying the legal fees for the other messes he’s been involved in. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2625 "2022-09-07T22:53:33Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > The potential reality of Trump really not being able to run again in 2024 would make them come out in droves in 2022. I really doubt the majority of MAGA’s have any interest in the 2022 election (it’s a lot of thinking, and besides, it’s getting harder to vote in many states). They just want to vote for Dear Leader. The silly little elections mean nothing to many of them. So, thinking people must help to enforce the House and Senate for Dems, so congress does not fall back into minority rule. Put TFG in prison where he should have been 30 years ago. Let them spend their energy bitching about that. That should be done. Period. We are a country ruled by laws. We need to enforce them. Full Stop. Then we can start trying to clean up Trumps mess. But only then. Washington and Lincoln would agree. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2626 "2022-09-07T22:56:34Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Put TFG in prison where he should have been 30 years ago. Let them spend their energy bitching about that. Agree! I’ve been saying he should be arrested since Day 1. They should be searching his other properties and he should be in a holding cell until they’re done. US justice system looks very weak at the moment. The damage to our intelligence network could be permanent. He may have already ruined certain channels already. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2627 "2022-09-07T23:00:06Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > They should be searching his other properties and he should be in a holding cell until they’re done. Setting aside little technicalities like the 4th, 5th, and 8th Amendments, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2628 "2022-09-07T23:01:23Z")
No one said that. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2629 "2022-09-07T23:03:31Z")
You said he should be in a holding cell until they finished searching. On what basis should that happen? Are you aware of probable cause for his other properties? On what basis should he be detained pending searches? He has the right to liberty and the right to reasonable bail. He can’t just be detained in jail pending searches. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2630 "2022-09-07T23:11:25Z")
Seriously? Are you aware of the stolen documents that were already seized from one of his properties? By being free, isn’t he incentivized to go to the other properties and clean up a bit? Does he have enough cash and connections to flee? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2631 "2022-09-07T23:12:14Z")
Then he needs to be charged with an indictment. That is completely separate from the suggestion of detention pending searches. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2632 "2022-09-07T23:16:30Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > You said he should be in a holding cell until they finished searching. On what basis should that happen? Are you aware of probable cause for his other properties? On what basis should he be detained pending searches? He has the right to liberty and the right to reasonable bail. He can’t be detained in jail pending searches. Sure. But due to missing documents from the US Governments Classified and Top Secret Files. Trumps other living quarters should be put on immediate lockdown. No one in, no one out. If I was discovered with Top Secret documents, AND SOME seemed to be missing, and owned a few different properties, what would happen? The fact that he is a former President that traveled all over the place visiting leaders of countries makes this even more critical. Seriously, look at Michael Cohen, one of Trumps ‘Fixers’. He probably has a few near every one of his properties. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2633 "2022-09-07T23:18:13Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > But due to missing documents from the US Governments Classified and Top Secret Files. Trumps other living quarters should be put on immediate lockdown. No one in, no one out. And the US government’s authority to do that is? 4th Amendment protects his papers and property; 5th Amendment protects his liberty and the liberty of his associates. On what basis does the state get to lock down properties A and B, because evidence of a crime was found in property C, several states away\> ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2634 "2022-09-07T23:19:17Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Then he needs to be charged with an indictment. I didn’t say to do it like Putin would. I assumed that it would be done within the appropriate manner. After all, it has been done to others in exactly that way. Just not former presidents. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2635 "2022-09-07T23:22:07Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > On what basis does the state get to lock down properties A and B, because evidence of a crime was found in property C, several states away\> The basis is that documents are missing out of top secret files and not all found in in property C. But the person of interest has other properties that the documents may be in. Now that we know documents are missing, and have a good reason to believe the perpetrator had them at some point at property A. Should we not search property B and C? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2636 "2022-09-07T23:25:38Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Then he needs to be charged with an indictment. That is completely separate from the suggestion of detention pending searches. An indictment isn’t instead of; it’s how. There exists enough evidence now to indict and arrest anyone else who did these things, so that’s what should happen to Trump, too. And given that the crime is mishandling of secrets, he needs to be indicted and arrested quickly, before he can do any more harm. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2637 "2022-09-07T23:40:27Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Now that we know documents are missing, and have a good reason to believe the perpetrator had them at some point at property A. Should we not search property B and C? Only if you have probable cause for believing that there is evidence of a crime that will be found at locations B and C. Evidence of a crime being found at A may help with an argument for B and C, but by itself is not sufficient. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2022, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2638 "2022-09-07T23:42:39Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > An indictment isn’t instead of; it’s how. There exists enough evidence now to indict and arrest anyone else who did these things, so that’s what should happen to Trump, too. That’s different than what I was responding to: > [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > They should be searching his other properties and he should be in a holding cell until they’re done. All that statement said was that he should be detained in a holding cell pending searches. No mention of an indictment, no mention of bail; just a statement that the state can detain someone in jail pending a search of their property. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2639 "2022-09-08T00:15:42Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Only if you have probable cause for believing that there is evidence of a crime that will be found at locations B and C. Evidence of a crime being found at A may help with an argument for B and C, but by itself is not sufficient. Ok. Right. We are a nation of laws. Not men. But I will say, we are screwed when a president has been and feels that he is above the law. The law needs to prove him wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2640 "2022-09-08T00:20:35Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > All that statement said was that he should be detained in a holding cell pending searches. No mention of an indictment, no mention of bail; just a statement that the state can detain someone in jail pending a search of their property. That would be unnecessary, considering all the information that we all already know. Of course you need a warrant to search his properties. Everyone knows this. They just did that in MAL. Of course you need evidence that a major crime was committed to arrest him. Plenty of that. Of course you need to show that he might be motivated to flee. These are all obvious to everyone. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=131) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=133)