# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 143
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2841 "2022-09-15T18:23:39Z")
Very true. But I was responding to his claim that, if he were indicted, "I don’t think the people of the United States would stand for it.” Hey Don? A lot of us wouldn’t just stand. We’d jump for joy. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2842 "2022-09-15T18:46:46Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > “I think they’d have big problems. Big problems. I just don’t think they’d stand for it. They will not sit still and stand for this ultimate of hoaxes,” Trump said. Trouble, oh we got trouble, Right here in Mar-a-Lago! Trouble with a capital “T” and that rhymes with “T” And that stands for Trump, That stands for Trump. We’ve surely got trouble! Right here in Mar-a-Lago, Right here! ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2843 "2022-09-15T18:48:15Z")
> Prosecutors indicated that if Cannon doesn’t act by Sept. 15 to grant the requested stay to allow use of the documents marked as classified, the government plans to ask the appeals court to do so. Is there a consensus on whether we expect to hear from Judge Cannon today or not? I keep checking for news, but nothing so far. Will she accept that she overstepped and allow the DOJ to continue working with the classified documents, deny that she overstepped and argue that the government has no right to its own documents, or just ignore it all and let the DOJ appeal? I’m personally thinking it will be door number 3. I don’t think a judge who twisted herself and the law into pretzels so much to appease Cheeto Benito in the first place will want to go on the record as being the person who gives the go- ahead to continuing the investigation. I’d like to be wrong, though. ---
**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2844 "2022-09-15T19:08:29Z")
Door number 3. Obviously, there is nothing behind Door 1. If she admits she overstepped, her whole ruling is called into question. Likewise, Door 2 is likely not to get anything more than staying silent. She probably knows her reasoning is spurious, but making an additional argument that the Executive Branch can’t use its own documents is just something else to get slapped down for. So, we won’t hear anything. We will have to wait on the Appeals court. Of course, this also adds to the delay, which part of the plan. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2845 "2022-09-15T19:36:59Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > Is there a consensus on whether we expect to hear from Judge Cannon today or not? I think you’ve parsed it well, and I agree Door Number 3 is the most likely outcome. My personal opinion is that she’s a fool who’s totally in the tank for Trump. We’ll see how far in the tank the Eleventh Circuit is by how much they contribute to the delay. > [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](#): > > Of course, this also adds to the delay, which part of the plan. I think it’s the _only_ plan. Trump believes that if he can somehow delay action in this matter and Republicans overtake the Senate and/or House in the mid-terms, they will magically make all these prosecutions go away. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2846 "2022-09-15T20:08:25Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > Cheeto Benito Good one. Though I prefer ‘Mango Mussolini’. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2847 "2022-09-15T20:13:20Z")
Or Hairdolf Hitler or Orange Foolius or…… ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2848 "2022-09-15T20:18:19Z")
I cannot take credit for the delightful sobriquet, I’ve read it here on the Dope a few times. It is great, though! ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2849 "2022-09-15T21:00:03Z")
On The Late Show, Stephen Colbert refuses to say Trump’s name. Instead, he takes a viewer suggestions for a pun-based insult (a la "Mango Mussolini), and in text he replaces it with “T\*\*\*\*”. It’d be nice if there was a compilation of these. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2850 "2022-09-15T21:01:16Z")
Last night’s was “Chunk Norris.” ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2851 "2022-09-15T21:01:42Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > Will she accept that she overstepped and allow the DOJ to continue working with the classified documents, deny that she overstepped and argue that the government has no right to its own documents, Or is she leaving open the possibility that Trump can successfully argue that the documents aren’t government property, but his own? (regardless of what NARA says or confidentiality status) ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2852 "2022-09-15T21:04:32Z")
[The internet never disappoints.](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/stephen-colbert-supercut-donald-trump-nicknames_n_61c2fa7ee4b0bb04a62b7abe) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2853 "2022-09-15T23:32:41Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > Is there a consensus on whether we expect to hear from Judge Cannon today or not? Well, we were wrong on all counts. She denied DOJ’s motion to stay her previous order and appointed Dearie as the special master. I’m sure the emergency appeal to the Eleventh Circuit will be filed soon, and we’re going to get a decision that shows just how corrupt they are on that bench. I’m hoping for better, but am no longer optimistic. Nothing out in print media yet, but the ruling was just reported on MSNBC. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2854 "2022-09-15T23:59:27Z")
> Order temporarily enjoins the Government…only from further use of the content of the seized materials for criminal > investigative purposes pending resolution of the Special Master’s recommendations. This > includes, for example, presenting the seized materials to a grand jury and using the content of the > documents to conduct witness interviews as part of a criminal investigation. The September 5 > Order does not restrict the Government from conducting investigations or bringing charges based > on anything other than the actual content of the seized materials; from questioning witnesses and > obtaining other information about the movement and storage of seized materials, including > documents marked as classified, without discussion of their contents [ECF No. 69 p. 17]; from > briefing “Congressional leaders with intelligence oversight responsibilities” on the seized > materials [ECF No. 69 p. 17 n.5]; from reviewing the seized materials to conduct the Security > Assessments; or from involving the FBI in the foregoing actions. [https://t.co/yKIP7mwg32](https://t.co/yKIP7mwg32) This is just ridiculous. The order basically says that the judge only has the government’s word that these are classified documents and not the personal property of DJT, and she needs the special master to tell her otherwise. Pure delay. > In isolating the described documents from the larger set of seized materials, the Motion > effectively asks the Court to accept the following compound premises, neither of which the Court > is prepared to adopt hastily without further review by a Special Master. > Lastly, the Court agrees with the Government that “the public is best served by evenhanded > adherence to established principles of civil and criminal procedure,” regardless of the personal identity of the parties involved [ECF No. 88 p. 10]. It is also true, of course, that evenhanded > procedure does not demand unquestioning trust in the determinations of the Department of Justice. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2855 "2022-09-16T00:09:07Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > She denied DOJ’s motion to stay her previous order and appointed Dearie as the special master. I’m sure the emergency appeal to the Eleventh Circuit will be filed soon, and we’re going to get a decision that shows just how corrupt they are on that bench. … (I’ve been reading this thread for weeks, trying to catch up—but I’m still several hundred posts away from doing so. I apologize in advance if this repeats something someone else has said.) Yes, today’s news was horrifying confirmation of the fact that the MAGA people in positions of power, like this benighted judge, are willing to simply ignore the law in order to please Trump. (And more importantly, perhaps, his violence-threatening followers.) And as you say, we still have the response of the 11th Circuit to come. There is every chance that it will go along with the ‘law be damned–Trump is Our Lord’ style of rulings Cannon has become infamous for issuing. I am still trying to understand why DOJ okayed Dearie as a possible Special Master. **Why would Trump’s side have put on that list the name of someone they couldn’t control?** Dearie has a good reputation, so it’s likely that the kompromat Trump’s side has is on a relative of Dearie’s (or someone else he cares about deeply). Would DOJ have looked into this _at all_ before saying he was an acceptable candidate? Or were they just overwhelmed by the volume of work they currently face? In any case, I am confident that Dearie will duly make sure that his loved one is protected–and the only way to do that is to ensure that his Special Master tasks are not completed for many, many months–or more likely, years. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2856 "2022-09-16T00:31:15Z")
He is ordered to be done with the review by November 30th Cite: > ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2857 "2022-09-16T01:09:20Z")
And the Special Maste has to share all of the top secret classified documents with Trump’s legal counsel? That sounds safe and legal. Let’s get a few more eyes on these national secrets! /s > Make available for inspection by Plaintiff’s counsel, with > controlled access conditions (including necessary clearance > requirements) and under the supervision of the Special > Master, the documents marked as classified and the papers > attached to such documents; Who is going to grant them clearance? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2858 "2022-09-16T01:15:07Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > Who is going to grant them clearance? Can a court order the executive branch to grant clearance? Anyone know if that’s ever happened? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2859 "2022-09-16T01:16:39Z")
IIRC, it took six months to get my TS clearance. Scared the hell out of my apartment manager when the Feds came asking about me. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![tripthicket](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripthicket/32/297_2.png) [@tripthicket](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tripthicket)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2022, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/2860 "2022-09-16T01:37:48Z")
So TFG has to pay, eh? If they proceed with the review, they’ll see as little as he can get away with, and with the most delay. If he has to pay up front, it may never get started. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=142) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=144)