# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 170
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3381 "2022-09-28T01:54:43Z")
And writes on them. Images only from now on. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3382 "2022-09-28T01:55:29Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I just find it interesting he can’t see them in person. DOJ is not treating him as a former president. They’re treating him as a suspected criminal con artist - with good reason. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3383 "2022-09-28T02:00:27Z")
Maybe this is the way that he doesn’t pay Kise. He’s got the name Kise on his team and if he doesn’t let him do anything, he’s borrowing the name for free. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3384 "2022-09-28T02:09:30Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Hello? Poison control hotline? What do I do if I’ve had too much schadenfreude all at once? 🤣 * * * > [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > Or hire some street urchins to shuttle the documents back and forth. Baker Street Irregulars * * * > [@simster](#): > > after they build the firewall In two weeks. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3385 "2022-09-28T03:11:39Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Google may not be an approved vendor for the specific task that the Justice department is seeking. Not to mention that getting a task order awarded at the end of the fiscal year probably sucks as much at DOJ as any other agency. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3386 "2022-09-28T11:17:15Z")
> [@Dag\_Otto](#): > > Not to mention that getting a task order awarded at the end of the fiscal year probably sucks as much at DOJ as any other agency. Not sure exactly what “getting a task order awarded” means, but this is the time of the year that our agency spends like crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3387 "2022-09-28T13:24:28Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > Why not? I work for state government. We have laws that handle data (categorized as public, sensitive, confidential, and restricted confidential). We have one vendor that is contracted with us and are barred from using any other cloud storage service, because we have no agreements with anyone else. The kind of data we’re talking about in this case is magnitudes greater in terms of sensitivity. They’ve got to be very careful who this goes to. It would be bad form to investigate and then potentially prosecute a guy for handling sensitive physical documents in a careless manner, then turn around and do the same thing with electronic copies of the same documents. ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3388 "2022-09-28T13:38:04Z")
This falls into my area of expertise. I’m the guy at a law firm who collects all the digital evidence and loads it into a database to be reviewed for relevancy and privilege. First of all, nobody would use Google, Dropbox, [box.com](http://box.com), or anything similar due to confidentiality concerns. The fine print of those services usually allows them to access the data in one way or another. We have dedicated platforms that are designed to do this exact thing. The industry front-runner is a platform named Relativity ([https://www.relativity.com/](https://www.relativity.com/)). You’d be dumb to try to create something from scratch. And with only 11k documents, they’re probably looking at a couple thousand dollars to host this and provide licenses for access. Data is charged by the GB. I’m not sure about vendor prices since we host the software in-house ourselves, but probably $5-$10 / GB /month. Since these are going to be scanned docs, the size is going to be very small. I’d probably say less than 5GB total. The scanning and OCR of the documents has probably already been done by the FBI for their own review, but assuming it hasn’t, you’re looking at about $.07/page for a cost of about $800. It’s not like a vendor has to directly engage with Trump. The FBI secures an agreement for the vendor to host the data, then they hand out usernames and passwords. I can see the FBI saying something like, “You want this, so you’re paying for it. It’s of no use to us.” But I can’t see the Trump legal apparatus not be willing to pony up $5k or so to see what the FBI has in their pocket. ETA: Sorry about the weird formatting. I have no idea what’s going on there. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3389 "2022-09-28T13:39:19Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > The kind of data we’re talking about in this case is magnitudes greater in terms of sensitivity. They’ve got to be very careful who this goes to. I thought the same thing when I first read about this, but then I looked closer at the tweet quoted by JohnT. The documents being shared exclude “documents bearing classification markings”. I mean, you still don’t want them going to just anybody, but it sounds like this doesn’t include the really sensitive stuff. However, are we sure that’s a real request? When the United States Department of Justice sends a legal document to United States District Court Judge Raymond J. Dearie, does it really begin with “Dear Judge Dearie”? ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3390 "2022-09-28T13:57:57Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > ETA: Sorry about the weird formatting. I have no idea what’s going on there. It happens when you use the dollar sign: $. Discourse treats things between $ as a mathematical formula. You avoid it if you write a \ before the dollar sign: $ Same for bullet points: they work if you precede them with \ For comparison, copy and paste erasing the \ : It happens when you use the dollar sign: . Discourse treats things between as a mathematical formula. You avoid it if you write a \ before the dollar sign: $ ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3391 "2022-09-28T14:06:39Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I mean, you still don’t want them going to just anybody, but it sounds like this doesn’t include the really sensitive stuff. Sure, and that’s why you worry about security. Even if we’re not talking about nuclear codes, if data has something like medical info or social security numbers, there are laws governing how you handle it. But you have a good point, the really important stuff is not going to be part of this. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3392 "2022-09-28T15:13:58Z")
It seems inevitable that any electronic data in this case will be a target for hacking. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3393 "2022-09-28T16:46:27Z")
In case there was any question as to why Donnie was having problems getting somebody to do the job, I think the final sentence of that missive removes all doubt. > Consistent with Appointment Order (ECF 91 par 14), the government expects the Plaintiff to pay the vendor’s invoices promptly when rendered. So its pretty clear what happened is the vendors balked because they were worried about getting paid, in this memo the DOJ is saying, “Give us a day to talk with them, we think we can get at least one of them to agree to the contract if we assure them that we’ve got Donnie by the short and curlies and if he doesn’t pay up, we will bring the hammer down on their behalf.” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3394 "2022-09-28T16:54:16Z")
My read is that the government is going to foot the bill in the interest of keeping things moving, and will squeeze blood from the stone later. Otherwise: “Sorry Judge, it’s not my client’s fault that the deep state liberal media had poisoned these vendors against us. We request a two week delay to find a new vendor.” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3395 "2022-09-28T17:01:12Z")
> [@dougrb](#): > > > [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > > > Sure, you can accomplish the same thing, more slowly, with FedEx. > > FedEx $50 > Portal creator $20,000 FedEx: Overnight Portal creator: Assemble team, specs, project management plan, meeting with clients, change scope, fire team, hire new team, change scope, finally get some guy in India to write code. 4 months. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3396 "2022-09-28T17:39:33Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > My read is that the government is going to foot the bill in the interest of keeping things moving Does the government care how long this process takes now that the marked documents are exempt? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3397 "2022-09-28T17:40:31Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > FedEx: Overnight > Portal creator: Assemble team, specs, project management plan, meeting with clients, change scope, fire team, hire new team, change scope, finally get some guy in India to write code. 4 months. Even if this is just joking around, it’s counterproductive for people trying to understand what’s going on. No one is hiring developers to build new software. As has been explained well already, they need someone to process the documents and host them. If they were taking the old school route of sending it by FedEx, they’d still need to digitize the documents or create physical copies of them all, with strict inventory and access controls throughout the process. Stop pretending that FedEx is the easy way out. ---
**Author:** ![CaveMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cavemike/32/16379_2.png) [@CaveMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaveMike)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3398 "2022-09-28T17:41:45Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Portal creator: Assemble team, specs, project management plan, meeting with clients, change scope, fire team, hire new team, change scope, finally get some guy in India to write code. 4 months. They’re not building a portal. They’re hiring a vendor to scan and process the docs then upload them to their existing portal. The term ‘create’ was confusing. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3399 "2022-09-28T17:44:31Z")
> [@CaveMike](#): > > They’re not building a portal. They’re hiring a vendor to scan and process the docs then upload them to their existing portal. We do things like that in-house all the time. And for a lot bigger piles of documents. I’m not sure why the government is looking for a vendor. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3400 "2022-09-28T17:47:02Z")
Maybe because Trump has to pay for it, and there’s no easy way for him to directly pay the government? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=169) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=171)