# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 174
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3461 "2022-09-30T18:10:09Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And my point in the last part you quoted is that I don’t see any reason anything needs to be “reserved for trial.” Trump could make his claim both in this civil case, and later on in a criminal trial if one arises. So I don’t see how the possibility of arguing something in trial is a valid reason to say Trump doesn’t have to defend his claim for the purpose of the Special Master. I’m wondering if it’s the new version of, “I can’t release my tax returns right now because I am under audit by the IRS.” ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3462 "2022-09-30T18:30:37Z")
I applaud your lovely and accurate summation of what is occurring. The only thing you omitted was this: Judge Cannon: But you can’t _make_ him say what documents he is claiming are privileged in his lawsuit to claim privilege! That just wouldn’t be fair! ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3463 "2022-09-30T18:54:42Z")
I am concerned that Loose Cannon is eventually going to allow T to take back all the non-classified documents that are rightfully property of the government. Not as bad as allowing him to take back the classified documents but still not good. Her view seems to be that any documents the FBI took that day belong to T unless the DOJ somehow proves otherwise, without T even having to point to any particular documents that are personal to him, such as medical records. If he’s allowed to strut away with those non-classified documents, they’ll probably never be seen again, even if DOJ won an appeal. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3464 "2022-09-30T23:37:25Z")
I’m trusting that the appeals court will slap that down immediately even if they had to work over the weekend - pretty much like the last whack they delivered to Cannon. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3465 "2022-09-30T23:45:26Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Seriously, though, drove past the FBI office close to my home yesterday and a half hour ago, no Trumpies. > > So I made one of these [ARREST TRUMP sign] and plan on standing out there for a half-hour, before it gets too hot. Thinking around 10am. If armed protestors did show up, I hope your sign was backed with Kevlar. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3466 "2022-10-01T05:00:59Z")
The DOJ has filed a motion before the 11th Circuit to expedite its appeal asking that the entire Judge Cannon fiasco be ruled as a wrongful assumption of jurisdiction. [https://t.co/Hi4Gk1uXvX](https://t.co/Hi4Gk1uXvX) > The filing also hints at prosecutors’ irritation with Cannon, a Trump appointee confirmed days after his defeat in the 2020 election. The Justice Department noted that she has repeatedly overruled decisions made by the special master she appointed at Trump’s suggestion, ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3467 "2022-10-01T05:12:53Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > …without the petty detail of actually presenting any evidence whatsoever. Same old, same old. His team of crack lawyers would talk about how the election was stolen – in front of reporters, but when it came to making the same statements in front of a judge, where lying has consequences, they’d clam up instead. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3468 "2022-10-01T07:25:51Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > The DOJ has filed a motion before the 11th Circuit to expedite its appeal asking that the entire Judge Cannon fiasco be ruled as a wrongful assumption of jurisdiction. Good because it is. ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3469 "2022-10-01T14:07:33Z")
Is it really that cut and dry? If so, why does “expedited” mean more than a month before the last brief before oral arguments is filed? I know the wheels turn slowly but does the court really have more pressing cases to deal with? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3470 "2022-10-01T14:13:01Z")
If it’s the appeal proper, one month on a major issue like executive privilege and national security strikes me as pretty quick. The lawyers for both sides have to prepare their briefs. I know that they’ve already been working on them for the various interim applications, but for the appeal proper you have to make sure you cover everything that is applicable. That takes time. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3471 "2022-10-01T14:22:05Z")
Trump’s excuses remind me of the guy in the [The Front Fell Off](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-QNAwUdHUQ) sketch. Of course, not as logical, consistent, or articulate. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3472 "2022-10-01T14:26:14Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > If it’s the appeal proper, one month on a major issue like executive privilege and national security strikes me as pretty quick. But that’s not what they’re asking for an expedited review of. They want Cannon removed altogether. They’re arguing that she inserted herself improperly and is not the person to hear the issues you mention. Those would then be taken up by the new Judge - I’m guessing they’ll push for the one that signed the warrant in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3473 "2022-10-01T14:28:52Z")
Ah, I missed that. Sorry. Still, that’s a pretty drastic move, to have a judge removed from a file. The appellate court will not take that step without being absolutely convinced of the need. That means a very compelling brief, which can take time to prepare. ---
**Author:** ![Palo\_Verde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Palo\_Verde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palo_Verde)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3474 "2022-10-01T14:32:32Z")
> **[Trump's self-described 'love letters' to Kim Jong-un seized from Mar-a-lago...](https://news.yahoo.com/trumps-self-described-love-letters-223355294.html)** > > Letters exchanged between North Korean leader Kim Jong-un and former U.S. President Donald Trump between April 2018 and August 2019 have recently been published. “I am ready to work with your excellency with all my heart and devotion,” Kim said in a... “I am ready to work with your excellency with all my heart and devotion,” Kim [said in a letter](https://www.stripes.com/theaters/asia_pacific/2022-09-29/trump-kim-letters-north-korea-7509455.html) dated April 1, 2018, nearly six weeks before he first met Trump at the Singapore Summit. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3475 "2022-10-01T14:41:03Z")
One week after meeting Trump he sent a follow up letter saying “April fool”. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3476 "2022-10-01T14:53:37Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > One week after meeting Trump he sent a follow up letter saying “April fool”. - “And May and June and July…” ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3477 "2022-10-01T14:59:31Z")
“Oh. I thought you were Dennis Rodman. NM.” ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3478 "2022-10-01T16:01:32Z")
Well, that’s not creepy at all. Are these actual handwritten letters? ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3479 "2022-10-01T16:20:39Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Still, that’s a pretty drastic move, to have a judge removed from a file. The appellate court will not take that step without being absolutely convinced of the need. That means a very compelling brief, which can take time to prepare. The DoJ already pretty much filed the brief, and the appeals court already pretty much agreed with them. In the emergency stay filing they asserted that Judge Cannon had improperly applied Richey in order to insert herself into the case, and the 3-judge panel concurred wholeheartedly. At that time the focus of the appeal was just the classified documents, but the appeals court went out of their way to mention in their order that they could find no reason that Cannon should have taken up the case at all because Trump’s motion for relief failed all four sections of the Richey test. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Knig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@Typo\_Knig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Knig)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3480 "2022-10-01T16:35:00Z")
Was the DoJ waiting to file the full appeal until they saw the ruling on the classified documents? I know there was concern prior to the classified documents appeal that the 11th Circuit would be in the tank for El Cheeto as much as Loose Cannon. Now that the 11th Circuit has shown they are not that far gone, DoJ may feel that they can succeed on the issue of incorrect jurisdiction. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=173) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=175)